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I already did. They didn't really help. I'm gonna keep reading about it on the wiki and look up some more guides
I thought you would be able to use your knowledge from the story. But nope. Survival is a whole new, unbalanced, game. Key word "unbalanced"
Why even have a normal difficulty if it's so difficult. You can't even survive one day :/
I don't know... The game is not worth playing in my opinion if you need to look at the guides to survive 1 day... on normal difficulty... in the easiest region.
I had a lot of fun in The Flame in The Flood Survival/Endless mode. It was same as a story mode. Except there was no story, lol. Everything was the same, except later in the game when you'd start visiting locations you already visited, so the resources would be heavily limited.
And in TLD... Not even fire starting is the same. You get much lower, different percentages. I mean, 40% to start a fire? 60% to start a fire using the same items you'd use in the story to have a 75% chance (I think it was 75, I don't remember now)
It doesn't make sense. It makes it extremely difficult for no reason. I want a challenge, but I don't want it to be unfair. I really wanted to like it
But yeah, as I said, I'm gonna keep looking at guides and a wiki, since that's the only way you can play apparently. Or I'm just gonna forget about the mode all together.
So Thank you! I'll see how it goes
You said you played Wintermute on the Normal difficulty? (meaning "capable survivor"?) that is probably the most comparable to Voyageur. similar wildlife patterns, similar loot amounts, similar vitals, etc.
I hate to break this to you, but if you spawned on voyageur during a blizzard, you're not on voyageur. Or, your game is bugged. IIRC only Stalker and Interloper spawns you during a blizzard. that is, I've never (with over 150 voyageur runs) spawned in a blizzard on voyageur. and I've never heard of anyone either.
Compared to Survival, Wintermute is super, incredibly easy. you spawn with a pre-made map, spawn with good clothing, on Wintermute you have a eternal fire to cook at, it's super, dumb easy.
Survival mode however, is called survival mode for a reason. your main goal is survive. If you're freezing all times, even indoors, one of three things is happening. Your clothes are wet, you're not on voyageur, or your game is bugged. If you get persued by a wolf, use a flare. shoot it with a rifle. don't throw pebbles at it. Tip; start a fire and the wolf will run away from you before the fire even starts. it's really a "save a life" strategy.
Honestly, you answered your own question. "GIT GUD HUEHUEHUE" is actually the best answer. None of us here spawned on our first day and got above day 20 on our first attempt. we all died, stupidly. we all learned. my max days survived is only about 360 on voyageur. I know some people that have gone up to 1500 days on interloper. Do you think these guys got it on their first, second, 5th, or even 100th try? the answer is no.
The survival mode does not hold your hand like Wintermute does, and that's why I think survival mode in this game was the best thing ever created in all gaming history. it's pure hardcore survival. about managing your vitals and learning.
Now, some actual tips. You do not need to keep yourself 100% fed, hydrated, warm or rested. You have a overall "condition" bar. (health bar) For example, when your hunger meter goes to zero calories, you start losing condition, or health. You start with 100% condition and gain condition during sleep. When starving, you lose 1% condition per game hour. Meaning, even going a whole 12 hour day without eating, you'll only loose 12 of your 100 condition. and you "should" gain this 12 condition back when you sleep on a full stomache. So really, you only "need" at max 650 or 700 calories. (Depending how long you sleep) The average new player usually stuffs himself with 2000 calories a day, which is 100% unnessicary.
The thing that will kill you fastest is the cold. So, try to find warm clothes and repair them to the best of your possibility. one good coat is always better than two bad coats. And, never feel bad about starting a fire. On voyageur, (the mode you claim to be playing) when you start a fire the ambient temp will automatically go above freezing, and start warming you up. on stalker and above, starting a fire simply won't automatically start warming you, on these difficulties you need to get the fire hot enough by adding fuel to warm you.
As for rest, this is probably the second most important vital in the game. When you are fully rested, your max carry weight is 66LBS. (I think 30kg?) When you go over this limit, you start walking and running a lot slower, and can't climb ropes or go rock climbing. when you are overweight, you have a higher chance of sprains. if you get over 80 LBS (about 40kg) you cannot run anymore. When you are exaughsted, your max carry is about 34LBS, (18ish kg) and you can no longer run. When you are exaughsted with about 60+ lbs on your pack, you walk very slow. When you have 80 LBS plus being exaughsted, you come to a snail's pace. I do not reccomend this. When exaughsted, you don't fight back against wolves as efficiently, and plenty of other side affects. You also lose condition per hour when exaughsted. Imo the second most important "vital" in the game.
last is managing water. This is fairly easy. your character never "needs" to drink more than .50 gal (half a galon) of water each day. (about 2.5 liters) Just like starving, you can go quite a few hours while parched before noticing a "big" condition hit. You get water by using cans or pots to melt snow at a camp fire. it takes about 2 hours to melt .55 gal (half a galon) or if you use metric, about 2.5 liters. (two and a half liters) This is not hard to do, and if you have two cooking pots on a single campfire things go pretty quickly. every two hours you make one galon of water. It's not extrmely hard to do, but a lot of firewood is nessicary to make lots of water.
TLDR; Survival mode is called survival mode for a reason. There's no handholding and it's pure hardcore surival, I love it. There's many ways to use or abuse the mechanics in-game to your advantage, but you can only learn the same way the rest of us did. Experience. I've played about 250 runs and only maybe 10 of them were "succesful". my highest day count was about 360 on voyageur. That is considered bad in the world of The Long Dark. I still have a lot to learn, and so do the other people with 500 interloper days survived. Learning is the whole part of the game. I know some people who have started 500+ sandboxes and still can't survive for 200 days. Experience my friend, experience.
PS. where do you expect to find a cured birch sapling? birch = tree, trees outside. when wood is cut, it starts to cure, or some people use the word "season". it takes a few days for a piece of wood to cure, by airdrying indoors. problem solved, using the human brain. If I was hostile in this post, it was not intended. Have a wonderful day! (or in my case night) :)
Edit; you posted you while I was typing this one.
If you can't survive one day on voyageur, it's not the game's fault. Voyageur is imo the funnest gamemode. it offers some challenge, but mainly focuses on exploring. If you need to look up a guide to survive one day, it's not the game's fault.
The game is not unbalanced, this is probably the most fleshed out balanced game I've ever found. We've all been there, we've all died and got frustrated before. die, learn.
Just like in Story mode, the materials you use to start a fire change the % chance of getting a succes. So, using cardboard matches plus reclaimed wood will give you about a 40% chance to start a fire. Using wooden matches and a stick gives a 60% chance. see, it's a huge difference. The reason the statistics are higher in Story mode is because story mode is meant to be very easy, and to hold your hand.
When starting a fire, always and I mean always see your options. I see new players on YouTube all the time make stupid mistakes using reclaimed wood and cardboard matches to start a fire with a 40% chance succes rate and then have the guts to COMPLAIN about it not starting when they know that materials chance succes rates.
Anyway, happy hunting and stay frosty!
You really don't need guides or maps to survive. They only rob you of an experience. With each new attempt, you get better, you pick up on what's important, and what can be put off - and you survive longer and longer.
Broken River Railroad isn't a great spawn for learning the ropes. There's nothing wrong with picking Mystery Lake or Coastal Highway. They're great areas, and many Interlopers spend a good bit of time in them in every new attempt. Might be interesting and make sense to explore regions in the order they were introduced, starting with Mystery Lake and ending with Hushed River.
Try to find your way to the nearest settlement - follow roads, rails, trails, power lines. Finding human habitation goes a long way to supplying your immediate needs.
Then my game is bugged. Because none of what you mentioned happened to me. I know the game can be buggy, because when I started the story mode it bugged out as well. In the inventory. The thirst just dropped extremely fast, I was dehydrated, but I had no condition hits. I couldn't even pick up my parka to start the game. But when I restarted, the thirst was normal and I could proceed with the game.
And even more so... I think it's buggy, yeah, because legitimately, I started basically every run during a blizzard. The needs dropping weren't comparable to "capable survivor" at all, they were dropping much faster. And also, when I made a fire, my temperature was still dropping. Not as rapidly, but it was going down. When I was inside a building, my temperature was still dropping.
But then again... I read that you can't spawn inside on interloper, and you can't pick your region to spawn, but I could pick a region and I spawned inside, once. Also, the supplies are not as plentiful as in the story mode on capable survivor, but then again, they are still kinda easy to find.
And I know I picked voyageur, beause I clicked on that, and there was that owl on the side.
So maybe the game really is bugged out to me and gives some parts of the harder difficulty. I have no idea. Because if the needs were dropping as they did in the story mode, I'd be fine.
And well... I am kinda familiar with all of those tips. Thank you for the help and advice though. I know you don't need to be full every time. I never aim for that anyway. I just want to avoid starvation so I get the "well fed" buff, because, well, sometimes my inventory gets full.
I know the max weight is 30kg + 5kg from the well fed buff if you get it. I know that you can carry your load and run if you're overencumbered, but your hunger will go down quicker.
I tend to carry 0.5 - 1 liters of water. Since I noticed that, if your thirst is basically fully depleted, you drink about 0.7l of water to fill up completely. But I always like to keep a bit extra, just in case of extra thirst, or if I want to make coffee or tea, due to the boost in energy/lowering fatigue, whatever.
I know the cold will kill me extremely fast. Which was happening to me since I was basically naked in the -27 degree weather. I got the chance to repair the clothes once. But since my needs were going down so fast, I had to go out again in search for food and supplies. I always tend to keep my clothes above 85%
I know Survival in different than wintermute. Since Wintermute is the story and all. It's the first thing you'd play, so it has some difficulty curve, but it eases you into it. Also, the permanent fires. Yeah. It definitely makes it easy. but since there are other goals you need to do as well, sometimes run far away from the place that has a permanently lit fire, it's understandable that it makes it easy for you in some way. Also, the other characters wont be sitting in the cold
I know the Survival is supposed to be hardcore. But there are still difficulties to choose from. So if I choose a normal difficulty, I don't want it to be extremely super realistic hardcore. I still want to manage to do something. Like the games says on the menu screen. Then again, my game might be bugged.
And I am totally fine with the hardcore survival. I mean, even if Wintermute has those perma fires lit, it still has the same mechanics, the management and all.
And about the birch tree sappling... Of course you'll find it at the birch tree. But birch trees can grow anywhere, and I am yet to see one.
That's also not the point why I mentioned it. The reason why I mentioned it is because there are so many more different things in Survival. Different locations, different wildlife, different materials, more crafting, different mechanics (researching) etc. None of it is explained. And how do you even get the sappling? Because cutting wood doesn't give you a sappling. Sappling is a small tree that grows. Also, I had no idea you could cut whole trees, as you couldn't do that in Wintermute. You could chop branches, but not whole trees.
And well... I guess that I learned that a tree can be "cured". I have never heard of that before, but now I know.
Thank you for your help though! You have a good night as well!
PS: Sorry for using the metric system. I'm from Europe and I don't know the exact conversions of everything
Thank you!
That said. I spawned in Milton as well, and I did worse than when I spawned in Broken Railroad. I survived almost 1 and a half day in Broken Railroad, while in Milton region I survived about 10 hours, a bit more.
So I didn't really get better
I know the mechanics. I know how things are supposed to work. At least the basics, which should help me get though the night. I could learn about the new things too, and I could get better at the things I already know, if the game didn't spawn me during the blizzard, almost naked, with the night about to start.
I tried seeking shelter. But I also need resources to survive. Both are equally important. Thankfully, I found a game, but with barely any resources. The needs depleted so fast for some reason even though I wasn't doing anything. I couldn't go out to look for resources since the storm was still going on, and I had horrible clothing.
And Yeah, of course it's okay to spawn in easier locations. And on interloper, of course you'll make the game as easy as possible for yourself, so why not spawn in the easiest regions.
Thank you for the tip though.
That's the first thing I try, to find a human settlement. Due to easy food and other resources
As for how to play, the best I can say is keep trying. I died within the first 24 hours of gameplay so many times I lost count, got utterly disheartened, stopped playing for a few days, then tried again.
If you want to learn some of the basic survival mode mechanics you can always play in Pilgrim as well. This lets you learn some the basics like researching, the maps and such on the easiest settings. I'll be honest, after dying so much, this was my method to learn the basics of the game without getting mad at constant wolf attacks and starving. It helped a great deal just to for the map knowledge (if you don't want to look up the player made maps)
I'm sorry that things are going so rough for you. I hope things get sorted out for why you keep having rough spawns. :(
Yeah. I agree with that looking up maps can be cheaty. The maps give you a full view of things and where to find some loot... But then again, the game itself is being cheaty. So yeah xD
It's definitely important to know the maps. And one time when I spawned in Milton, I got put who knows where. And since I never went to that part in Wintermute, I had no idea where I am.
If you ask me, it would be nice if the game gave you a normal map. Your marker wouldn't have to be there either, just the uncovered map, without the names of the locations. So you could maybe orient yourself somehow.
there are also new locations, a lot of new locations. So it would only be fair to have a map.
Thank you for your info, and I may have to go and check those maps! At least for the locations of the forges and workbenches.
Have a good night and thank you for your help! :)
No, I didn't touch anything. I know I specifically picked "voyageur"
And I see... I get you. I believe it can get rough. But then again, I already know some of the basics, except that researching. Which I could get the hang of if the game was going how it should go. I can't do an hour of research without any supplies, because my needs go down quickly. So to research, I need more supplies, to get more supplies I need to get out in the cold with poor clothing, and then I freeze anyway.
And yeah, Pilgrim seems like the way to go, period. But my game might also be bugged, from some responses I got previously, because this is not being how Voyageur is described. But i don't even know any more.
And I am definitely a fan of exploring. And I should be able to explore. The game says so. For new and experienced players that want a challenging balance of survival and exploring. But from my experience, there was no balance.
And thank you. Also you don't have to feel ashamed of playing on the easiest difficulty. gotta learn!
Thank you for your kindness. So far everyone's been kind.
And yeah, I think that's how it will be with me too. Probably gonna be salty at the game for a few days then decide to try again, since that's what I usually do
I don't blame you at all for being frustrated and needing to rant about this.
I've always found everyone here to be super helpful, so I try to behave the same.
And you go be salty! You have the right, I just hope that the salt doesn't ruin the flavour of the game for too long. It really is a lot of fun when it's working right. (and sometimes those little bugs and glitches can make for great stories later on down the road "remember that one time I just couldn't get a break from the blizzard?")
I'm not sure if you're familiar with the skill page since it doesn't exist in story mode. On the off chance it's not familiar, it's found in the journal, and looks like this:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1628826351
But research is completely unnecessary in survival. The books can be helpful once you finally have the down time to read them, but the bulk of your skill points come simply from doing things. Successfully starting fires raises your Firestarting skill, cooking anything raises your Cooking skill, and so on.
Yeah. I'm definitely going to start Pilgrim to see how it works, and if it's any different.
I really hope it's not like that. Since I really wanted to get into it.
And again, thank you for the understanding!
And for being nice, not just with me, but in general. No point in being mean with other peeps!
Also, thanks for making me laugh with that thing about salt. It was quite smart
Legit made me laugh xD
Definitely agree that these things can make great stories later, and even the salt can be funny :p
I did see it when I read a book for 1 hour and that gave me some skill points. I had no idea you had a full menu like that, and how you access it.
But I see. I would have loved to know that before, but no one tells you. I don't have the time to stumble across the journals while my needs are rapidly depleting. I also didn't know that there was leveling up like that. I guess that explains the 45% fire starting chance, or me being unable to harvest a 4% frozen carcass while the game was telling me it's 50% frozen.
I'm not sure I really like that, considering how everything is strict and on a time crunch, where you can't afford mistakes. But I guess it makes sense.
Thank you for letting me know! This explains quite a bit.
You don't have to worry about Cabin Fever during your first month on Voyager, and not at all on Pilgrim. There's a grace period of 50 days on Voyager, 25 days on Stalker, and something like 4 days on Interloper.
And another grace period that keeps hostile wildlife from spawning during the first 24 hours.
As far as the frozen rabbit and wolf, harvesting even just a whole rabbit by hand takes a really long time, so unless you have a fire nearby that raises the temperature above freezing, or are inside, the carcass will freeze while you're working on it. I'm guessing that's what happened.
Slow down, you cannot expect to learn everything at once. Why not be kind to yourself and start a game in Pilgrim mode? That's what it there for. Don't be in such a rush. In Pilgrim mode everything, I mean everything is kind to you. You can still die of course, while you are still learning that is, but being able to learn the maps while exploring in kind weather is so liberating after being battered by the storm in the harder levels. Your days will be long, food plentiful, no mean wolfies, bears or moose, unless you're mean to them of course. No CF either. Pilgrim mode is how most of us oldies learnt the game, it was easier back then and stuff has been added gradually so we didn't have to learn 'everything' all at once, fewer maps helped a lot too.
No shame playing in Pilgrim mode, move up to the harder stuff when you are totally bored with life on the easy side in Pilgrim. Good luck