PV Farmstead or MT Paradise Meadows?

[JiffyPopKids]

Hey guys. I started a new run and decided to live at the Paradise Meadows Farm. seems like a nice place. Though, do I compare it to the Farmstead in PV?

So let's go over the pros and cons of each place.

PV Farmstead pros;
Big house, more storage and places to put things. Good if you're a neat person that stacks items all over the house.
Crafting table in the basement.
Bear that wanders by every now and again. (possible con)
Wolves that patrol mainly west of the house. (possible con)
Deer are often south of the house grazing.
Rabbits fairly close.
Good central location.
Wide open fields around, giving a good line of sight to see wolves.
Indoor 6 burner stove.
Outdoor 2 burner firebarrel, to avoid CF.
Warm house & bed.
Porch to store meat and keep it fresh.
Lots of cloth and reclaimed wood.
Shed outside, to also avoid CF.

PV Farmstead cons;

Wolves that patrol west of the house. (possible pro)
Bear that wanders by every now and again. (possible pro)
No fishing nearby. Pretty much across the map.
PV is cold!
PV has a good amount of blizzards.
If you're a neat person, there's a lot of clutter you can't clean up.
Not many harvestable limbs nearby.
No moose nearby.

I see a fair bit more pros than cons. Now let's look at Paradise Meadows.

Paradise meadow pros;

Indoor 6 plate burner.
Outdoor firebarrel.
Rabbits nearby.
Deer within alright range.
Lots of cloth and reclaimed wood.
A barn nearby to avoid cabin fever.
Warm bed and house.
Porch for storing meat to keep it fresh.
Fairly big house. Nice if you like to store items all over the place.
Good line of sight to see any nearby wolves.
Wolves nearby. (possible con)
Rifle rack inside the house.
Cattails, mushrooms, etc, nearby.

Paradise meadow cons;

Pack of wolves patrol nearby. (possible pro)
No bears nearby. (possible pro)
No moose nearby.
There's a bit of a walk to get deer.
Outdoor workbench. Good for avoiding CF, but it's going to be cold.
Not a very central location. a hike to the town.

That's about all I can see. If anyone sees more pros or cons for either region, correct me and I'll edit the post.

Anyhow, which one do you think is better to live out? The "Possible pro" or "Possible con" in refference to a pack of wolves meant that it's a pro for the meat and hides, but a con because the wolves could catch you off guard.

What do you think?

[Jet Mystery Torpedo]

In my opinion I would go with PV rather than MT simply because of MT's high wolf spawn rate. It feels like if it was on pilgram it would be fine like Quonset garage but on any other difficulty it seems like wolfs will swarm you.

[PowerOn]

Think that MT Trailer is much more convenient than mentioned places: rabbits, deer, wolves, moose and even bear near.

I have not get yet why someone need "6 plate burner stove" in this game...

[IvantheFormidable]

Hm, I can't speak to pros and cons, since I tend to establish my bases more on my personal subjective assessment rather than anything close to objective (I'm living in the Forestry Outlook on my current run, sue me).

Personally, if I had to pick from the two, I'd take the MT farmhouse. I think the rope access to a cave nearby is nice, and I like the surrouding landscape much better. Although the wolves can get quite annoying, especially on stalker, but that describes most locations on that difficulty. Since I prefer the RadioShack(TM) for a base in that region, I'm probably a bit biased.

[JiffyPopKids]

Originally posted by IvantheFormidable:

Hm, I can't speak to pros and cons, since I tend to establish my bases more on my personal subjective assessment rather than anything close to objective (I'm living in the Forestry Outlook on my current run, sue me).

Personally, if I had to pick from the two, I'd take the MT farmhouse. I think the rope access to a cave nearby is nice, although the wolves can get quite annoying, especially on stalker. Since I prefer the Signal Hill RadioShackTM in PV for a base, I'm probably a bit biased.

I sort of see where you're coming from. It gets really boring using "traditional" locations as long term bases. That's why I'm going to try and stop hunkering down at places like the camp office, and maybe stay at the lake cabins or even the trapper's homestead, something I rarely do. Or instead of living at jackrabbit or misanthrope's in coastal highway, maybe live at the waterfront cottage area. Something to mix it up.

Originally posted by PowerOn:

Think that MT Trailer is much more convenient than mentioned places: rabbits, deer, wolves, moose and even bear near.

I have not get yet why someone need "6 plate burner stove" in this game...

I'd say that's an arguable point you make. I don't like the trailer because it's so hilly nearby and a wolf could be around any corner. At the farmstead,(s) you have a lot better line of sight, letting you see wolves far away. The trailer also doesn't have an indoor fireplace. Something you might need if a blizzard rolls in and are out of water, and can't use the outdoor firebarrel. There's a couple more reasons, but I sure would not deny the trailer as a base.

I think the reason people (me included) like six burner plates is because of how fast you can cook stuff. Instead of having three campfires and using three times the wood, you can cook six galons of water in two hours for only a third the amount of fuel vs using three campfires. Or you can cook a moose in half a day, instead of a full day. also using a lot less fuel.

[IvantheFormidable]

Originally posted by JiffyPopKids:

I sort of see where you're coming from. It gets really boring using "traditional" locations as long term bases. That's why I'm going to try and stop hunkering down at places like the camp office, and maybe stay at the lake cabins or even the trapper's homestead, something I rarely do. Or instead of living at jackrabbit or misanthrope's in coastal highway, maybe live at the waterfront cottage area. Something to mix it up.

Honestly, if I didn't hang around the forums on occasion, I never would have found out that my base locations were, how shall we say, exotic. For me, having my base location in a place that I really like, rather than the most optimized makes the game more fun. It might not be the most convenient, but for me it helps to alleviate the cabin fever that some folks report setting in later on in a run.

[JiffyPopKids]

I'm not sure if they're "exotic", lol. But most people tend to use camp office, jackrabbit, farmstead,(s) grandma's house, trapper's homestead, etc, as bases they hunker down at. I'm not entirely sure why, because really popular places like "grandma's house" are bad locations. Sure they have a lot of cons, but the area is infested with wolves and there's no good cure for CF around. I'd much rather live at the Forestry Lookout than the gray mother's house.

[draxthewickedone]

Farmstead would be my choice, it is almost perfect but it is not. Reason: Blizzards..

Sometimes you can get a few nice days in a row, maybe even a week. But then comes blizzard and that thing goes on and on and on.. If cabin fewer does not get you, boredom of spending day after day inside surely will. Don't get fooled with barn outside, that thing is a death trap. If cabin fewer kicks in and you have to spend night outside there is a chance you will freeze to death there. Barn is not windproof, there are cracks in it's walls and fire inside the barn can die while you sleep. I almost died there once. good thing i slept in 4h chunks so i woke up before completely freezing

Paradise meadow is OK, but it is a wolf fest all day, everyday. At least on Stalker, i do not know for other diff. But if i have to pick between the two i would go there.

[IvantheFormidable]

Well, exotic or not, amusement factor is always a big plus for me. Of course, it may not look that way when I get ambushed by a wolf while ferrying suppllies, but that's just how it goes. I'd still say that the MT farmhouse gets my vote!

[gnusjunkie]

Six-burner stoves (6BS) are for the efficiency of using fuel to boil six quantities of water in parallel. Depending on how many cooking pots you have, you can produce up to 12L every cycle, compared with a maximum of 4L per cycle on a campfire, using the same amount of fuel.

To my mind, that's not by itself enough reason to make a place worth seeking out and staying at, but if you are weighing up different locations, the 'cheap water' offered by a 6BS is something to take into account.

Not that I stay there very long/often, but in the case of the PV Farmhouse particularly, I think the 6BS is a big factor because the burnable fuel gathering around the Farmhouse is pretty poor compared to most other comparable possible home locations.

The other thing that no-one's mentioned that weighs in favour of MT is that you are only one map away from a forge. PV is at least two maps away from either forge, which can be a bit of a pain if/when you run out of arrowheads.

Since we're on the subject, my bases are mostly caves. The cave near the MT Trailer is one I like too much - I keep getting too comfortable and getting wolfed coming/going with lots of smellly meat from a kill. I should learn my lesson but I like the view.

I'm currently holed up in a cave in HRV that is mostly blocked off by those stick/rush things you can only clear with a hatchet. I don't clear it, I go around it each time I enter or leave. I'm pretty sure it has no actual effect on wildlife, but even so it makes me feel safer than an open cave mouth.

[Aemon Bane]

I'd like to point out for the OP incase they don't know, southeat of PV farmhouse, roughly due south of the barn is both a fishing shack and a moose area, to my knowledge this is the only fishing spot in PV but it really isn't that far from the farmhouse.

I have yet to find a moose area in MT and to my knowledge there is NO fishing spots there.

As far as 6bs are concerned there is one in broken railroad at the lodge.

[lkandrb]

Is everyone forgetting cars? No cabin fever, I have not needed a fire in quite a while. No car? Just build a snow shelter. It costs about a stick a day, toasty warm and no CF. I have built a snow shelter right next to any other building and just do all my sleeping there, and never get CF. I like the hunting cabin in BR too.

[draxthewickedone]

Originally posted by Aemon Bane:

I have yet to find a moose area in MT and to my knowledge there is NO fishing spots there.

I saw one moose on a small pond with rabbits, just up the rope north of Milton. That one was easy to take, i climbed the rocks near the pond so he can't get me and there was just one wolf to worry. East of the pond, patrolling the road to the bridge.

I also saw one more, down the ropes in a basin south of Paradise Meadows. But that one i did not dare to attack, too many wolves not far from him.

[draxthewickedone]

Originally posted by lkandrb:

Is everyone forgetting cars? No cabin fever, I have not needed a fire in quite a while. No car? Just build a snow shelter. It costs about a stick a day, toasty warm and no CF. I have built a snow shelter right next to any other building and just do all my sleeping there, and never get CF. I like the hunting cabin in BR too.

I am cheap b*****d, so i never build snow shelter. Just can't part with cloths. :D I know there are plenty, but what can i say: I am cheap. But yeah, you got the point.

Regarding the cars, i did used car near the Farmstead few times, but i do not like that car. There are lots of wolves on the field just behind the car and the car is facing Farmstead unfortunately.
So i always got that unnerving feeling in the morning when i need to get out of the car, not knowing if some wolf is behind me. :D

But the one near the bridge could be a bit safer to use i guess.

[markwars]

If I am to pick from the two the OP offers I would go for the PV Farmhouse. My reason is that its location is the best in the region it resides in. The farm in MT is not the best location in my estimation on that map.

That said...I tend to stay in place that I like to stay with little regard for the game's mechanics. In PV I often choose the random prepper cache as a base. In MT my favorite base location is the Hermit's Cabin. In ML I almost always choose the Forestry Lookout. In TWM I like to settle in the Waterfall Cave. You get my point...I like the spots I like.

[I'll be the one]

Originally posted by JiffyPopKids:

Hey guys. I started a new run and decided to live at the Paradise Meadows Farm. seems like a nice place. Though, do I compare it to the Farmstead in PV?

So let's go over the pros and cons of each place.

PV Farmstead pros;
Big house, more storage and places to put things. Good if you're a neat person that stacks items all over the house.
Crafting table in the basement.
Bear that wanders by every now and again. (possible con)
Wolves that patrol mainly west of the house. (possible con)
Deer are often south of the house grazing.
Rabbits fairly close.
Good central location.
Wide open fields around, giving a good line of sight to see wolves.
Indoor 6 burner stove.
Outdoor 2 burner firebarrel, to avoid CF.
Warm house & bed.
Porch to store meat and keep it fresh.
Lots of cloth and reclaimed wood.
Shed outside, to also avoid CF.

PV Farmstead cons;

Wolves that patrol west of the house. (possible pro)
Bear that wanders by every now and again. (possible pro)
No fishing nearby. Pretty much across the map.
PV is cold!
PV has a good amount of blizzards.
If you're a neat person, there's a lot of clutter you can't clean up.
Not many harvestable limbs nearby.
No moose nearby.

I see a fair bit more pros than cons. Now let's look at Paradise Meadows.

Paradise meadow pros;

Indoor 6 plate burner.
Outdoor firebarrel.
Rabbits nearby.
Deer within alright range.
Lots of cloth and reclaimed wood.
A barn nearby to avoid cabin fever.
Warm bed and house.
Porch for storing meat to keep it fresh.
Fairly big house. Nice if you like to store items all over the place.
Good line of sight to see any nearby wolves.
Wolves nearby. (possible con)
Rifle rack inside the house.
Cattails, mushrooms, etc, nearby.

Paradise meadow cons;

Pack of wolves patrol nearby. (possible pro)
No bears nearby. (possible pro)
No moose nearby.
There's a bit of a walk to get deer.
Outdoor workbench. Good for avoiding CF, but it's going to be cold.
Not a very central location. a hike to the town.

That's about all I can see. If anyone sees more pros or cons for either region, correct me and I'll edit the post.

Anyhow, which one do you think is better to live out? The "Possible pro" or "Possible con" in refference to a pack of wolves meant that it's a pro for the meat and hides, but a con because the wolves could catch you off guard.

What do you think?

PV The porch at MT is not safe as a blind for wolves.