Vehicular Manslaughter

[Rebel]

Unturned has a major problem with vehicles, specifically with the fact that players can build on them.

Some people find a vehicle, which isn’t particularly hard, then, they fully encase the vehicle with a combination of large and small plates (both metal and wood work) and attach 10 meters of either barbed wire or wooden spikes on both the left and right side of the vehicle.
The end result? Something that is dubbed in the community as a “Cancer car”, an unstoppable and impenetrable behemoth that drives around and sweeps up absolutely everything in it’s way! It can go through walls, meaning that it can kill players while they are in their base, or when they’re in a building, it can kill players on different altitudes and it’s fast, so you can’t outrun it, unless you yourself have a vehicle. And this is all for the cheap cheap price of around 100 scrap (which you can get very easily by mining or scrapping everything you come across for around 20 minutes), or wood (which is everywhere)

This is a major problem in PvP vanilla survival. Every server I go to, there are atleast 2 or 3 per server. First of all, the only way to destroy them is by using a Rocket Launcher (which is EXTREMELY RARE, and you would have to be risking it), charges (only works if they’re standing still for a good minute or so, never happens, and even then you’ll need like 3) or using an LMG to shoot it down (yeah, good luck, it would need to stand still for a good 2 minutes, because you’d have to specifically shoot down one plate which takes about 30 bullets, and then there’s an unknown more amount of plates until you get to the vehicle itself)

Nobody runs around with raiding gear on them, unless the person is SPECIFICALLY hunting for a Cancer car, and even then, you need to get a hunting party of about 3-4 people to even have a hope of destroying it, since you’d have to be careful to not get killed by the ridiculous car and it’s 20 meter wall of spikes, but you’d also be fighting the guys inside the car, and you’d have to make the car stop moving somehow. All very hard things. And you’d also have to risk losing raiding supplies, be it the legendary Rocket Launcher or charges.

And even when you destroy the car, so what? The person who was abusing this can simply go get another vehicle, build it up since all it takes are very cheap and common materials, and he’ll be rolling around once again.

This is a major problem for any fresh-spawns on the server, since they will have absolutely no way to defend themselves, so the cars can simply roll around down south in Russia for example, and farm them.

There are multiple things that enable this. First of all, building on vehicles obviously. Then, third person, which allows you to see your vehicle and drive even if you’ve completely boarded up the car. And you don’t have to have third person, since it’s possible to just simply place a locker, for example, in the window, and you’ll be able to see through it, while also being protected at the same time!

I’ve experienced all of this. I have been killed down south in Russia while getting loot by a Cancer car that I had no way of protecting myself against. I have been killed through walls and while sitting in my base. I have destroyed Cancer cars and briefly used one. And I can tell you that the name is well deserved. Every server that I go to seems to have at least 2-3 of these riding around killing the server, and also reducing the population, since nobody wants to deal with that stuff. The worst part is how easy it is to make and abuse one, and the fact that defending against one basically means don’t walk on plain land ever, and even then you’re not even remotely safe. And considering the fact that a player HAS to loot and walk on plain land to play the game, get any loot and survive, this is just ridiculous.

P.S I don’t know or care if this is an original topic or not, because this is a serious issue that is plaguing vanilla servers.

P.P.S Oh, and I forgot to mention this in the original post, but the person abusing the car NEVER has to leave the car in order to pick up the loot from the people they killed.

And whenever they exit the server, they leave their cars in well fortified garages, that are hard to crack.

[TalkinTurtle]

This isn't a problem on vanilla servers it's a problem on servers with plugins like a virtual garage so they wouldn't ever lose it while offline but as they are offline even if in a fortified garage as you say the gear it would take to destroy the car in a group of 3 or 4 could break into that garage

[Rebel]

Originally posted by TalkinTurtle:

This isn't a problem on vanilla servers it's a problem on servers with plugins like a virtual garage so they wouldn't ever lose it while offline but as they are offline even if in a fortified garage as you say the gear it would take to destroy the car in a group of 3 or 4 could break into that garage

No, it's a huge problem for vanilla servers. It's much more impactful to get killed in vanilla, because in vanilla it's much harder to get gear and experience. While in Rocket servers getting gear isn't a problem and dying is meaningless when you have kits and vaults.

[Chalino]

Anyone could easily sneak up on a person if they're farming for metal to kill them, therefore stopping them from making a "cancer car." Plus there's so many ways to combat a "cancer car" other than using those things you've listed. One can easily run sideways away from the car, easily avoiding it or they could just go underwater and swim to a point where the car won't be able to hit you and use a secondary to kill the people inside the car. One can easily just use an automatic gun to shoot the small plates off a car that is protecting the tires, if it has any, to shoot the tires off, which would easily demobilize the car without using any rare ammunition. Plus even if you can't destroy the car, you can just use alts to keep dying to the traps on the car which will eventually destroy them since traps take damage from people getting hurt by them. And to add on to that, it is very unlikely people would even try to make these cars because of how much resources it exhausts, 100 scrap metal to make one? A person could easily use that scrap metal for much useful things, such as building a metal base, crafting useful tools and repairing items.

[Faded]

I only play vanilla Russia very active server and I have never seen any vehicle made like that. I understand your frustrations but i think 4.0 will address it, not 3.0

[FOTW! ⁧⁧Bunkeris]

out of all the servers i've played in my 1.2k hours, both vanilla and modded, never have i EVER come across one of these.

[Chalino]

Originally posted by Dapper SEM:

out of all the servers i've played in my 1.2k hours, both vanilla and modded, never have i EVER come across one of these.

Same here, I've only ever come across these on creative.

[RainOfPain125]

Originally posted by TalkinTurtle:

This isn't a problem on vanilla servers it's a problem on servers with plugins like a virtual garage so they wouldn't ever lose it while offline but as they are offline even if in a fortified garage as you say the gear it would take to destroy the car in a group of 3 or 4 could break into that garage

Wrong. This is a problem on any server, regardless of it's plugins. I've seen it multiple times, people driving around with already-armored behemoth's like an APC, then adding millions of places, barb wire, barb wire fences, and basically making a killdozer 2.0. It's incredibly hard to break into such a car, even if theres nobody driving. And what would be the value? You just destroyed a car that probably doesn't even have much in the trunk. yay?

Originally posted by Lance:

Anyone could easily sneak up on a person if they're farming for metal to kill them, therefore stopping them from making a "cancer car." Plus there's so many ways to combat a "cancer car" other than using those things you've listed. One can easily run sideways away from the car, easily avoiding it or they could just go underwater and swim to a point where the car won't be able to hit you and use a secondary to kill the people inside the car. One can easily just use an automatic gun to shoot the small plates off a car that is protecting the tires, if it has any, to shoot the tires off, which would easily demobilize the car without using any rare ammunition. Plus even if you can't destroy the car, you can just use alts to keep dying to the traps on the car which will eventually destroy them since traps take damage from people getting hurt by them. And to add on to that, it is very unlikely people would even try to make these cars because of how much resources it exhausts, 100 scrap metal to make one? A person could easily use that scrap metal for much useful things, such as building a metal base, crafting useful tools and repairing items.

Ever heard of servers aren't always full? I've farmed for thousands of metal without any player interveining, and when they do I still kill them because they chose not to get the drop on me from afar (IE, they got closer and tried to spray me, etc).

Running sideways away from a mile long wall of barb wire? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. You get how rediculous this sound if you think about it for more than a second.

Or we could go underwater? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Silly Lance, not everyone is playing on a map with tons of water like PEI. Maybe he's playing on Russia and he's in the middle of the wilderness. Do you think he'd find a random ocean or stream within 10 seconds reaction time of seeing such a 'cancer car'? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

A secondary weapon that can shoot through the walls of the car and kill them? :thinking:

"One can easily just get a LMG and shoot the metal plates off the car". I don't think it's very easy to obtain an LMG on really any map besides washington. Plus if I had an LMG I wouldn't waste it on some car. Even if I did try to use an LMG against the explained 'cancer car' it would be moving too fast to shoot a specific plate out, I'd just be peppering all the plates and doing little bits of damage to all the shielding around the car, never actually getting through to anything.

Some vehicles tires cant be shot off *cough the APC*

"Spend tons of hours trying to break a few of the many traps on the car by relentlessly spawning in and chasing down the car" Do you know how stupid this sounds? A- they can easily repair it B- Maps like Russia are incredibly big and chasing down an armored behemoth isn't exactly fun C- If you were to be run over you'd only damage 3 out of the million barbwire on the car D- Not everyone has the gold upgrade and not everyone wants to waste their time switching steam accounts just for a single team on a single server

Scrap is very useless in Unturned at the time we talk. It currently takes 10 metal scrap to build just one metal wall, floor, roof, etc. Which are only twice or so as durable as wood, when you could get wood at 5x the rate of metal buildables. The only real use of metal I have is for crafting if ever a horde beacon or pump jack. It would be far more effective and efficient to invest my metal into an armored behemoth that is virtually unstoppable unless nobody is operating it.

[RainOfPain125]

Originally posted by Dapper SEM:

out of all the servers i've played in my 1.2k hours, both vanilla and modded, never have i EVER come across one of these.

Out of my 4k hours I've come across this tons upon tons of times. One small 4 man, 3 man, or 2 man get together, find a car, and mod it out to all hell, then add tons of barb wire. It's a very common occurance and it's extremely effective at it's job - Killing other players while keeping those inside safe.

[FOTW! ⁧⁧Bunkeris]

Originally posted by RA:HHR-5 Rain:

Originally posted by Dapper SEM:

out of all the servers i've played in my 1.2k hours, both vanilla and modded, never have i EVER come across one of these.

Out of my 4k hours I've come across this tons upon tons of times. One small 4 man, 3 man, or 2 man get together, find a car, and mod it out to all hell, then add tons of barb wire. It's a very common occurance and it's extremely effective at it's job - Killing other players while keeping those inside safe.

well maybe thats because you most likely play in US servers, im from europe and i have never seen one of these cancer cars, maybe because most of the servers have no cars because some random russians took them somewhere and then never joined back into the server

[RainOfPain125]

Originally posted by Dapper SEM:

Originally posted by RA:HHR-5 Rain:

Out of my 4k hours I've come across this tons upon tons of times. One small 4 man, 3 man, or 2 man get together, find a car, and mod it out to all hell, then add tons of barb wire. It's a very common occurance and it's extremely effective at it's job - Killing other players while keeping those inside safe.

well maybe thats because you most likely play in US servers, im from europe and i have never seen one of these cancer cars, maybe because most of the servers have no cars because some random russians took them somewhere and then never joined back into the server

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

> smart idea
> thinks the US players do it but the EU ones dont
> smart, effective idea
> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

well idk. That could be true /shrug. I know how to get a car when I want it, so I don't necessarily worry about people hoarding / hiding cars.

[Chalino]

Originally posted by RA:HHR-5 Rain:

Originally posted by TalkinTurtle:

This isn't a problem on vanilla servers it's a problem on servers with plugins like a virtual garage so they wouldn't ever lose it while offline but as they are offline even if in a fortified garage as you say the gear it would take to destroy the car in a group of 3 or 4 could break into that garage

Wrong. This is a problem on any server, regardless of it's plugins. I've seen it multiple times, people driving around with already-armored behemoth's like an APC, then adding millions of places, barb wire, barb wire fences, and basically making a killdozer 2.0. It's incredibly hard to break into such a car, even if theres nobody driving. And what would be the value? You just destroyed a car that probably doesn't even have much in the trunk. yay?

Originally posted by Lance:

Anyone could easily sneak up on a person if they're farming for metal to kill them, therefore stopping them from making a "cancer car." Plus there's so many ways to combat a "cancer car" other than using those things you've listed. One can easily run sideways away from the car, easily avoiding it or they could just go underwater and swim to a point where the car won't be able to hit you and use a secondary to kill the people inside the car. One can easily just use an automatic gun to shoot the small plates off a car that is protecting the tires, if it has any, to shoot the tires off, which would easily demobilize the car without using any rare ammunition. Plus even if you can't destroy the car, you can just use alts to keep dying to the traps on the car which will eventually destroy them since traps take damage from people getting hurt by them. And to add on to that, it is very unlikely people would even try to make these cars because of how much resources it exhausts, 100 scrap metal to make one? A person could easily use that scrap metal for much useful things, such as building a metal base, crafting useful tools and repairing items.

Ever heard of servers aren't always full? I've farmed for thousands of metal without any player interveining, and when they do I still kill them because they chose not to get the drop on me from afar (IE, they got closer and tried to spray me, etc).

Running sideways away from a mile long wall of barb wire? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. You get how rediculous this sound if you think about it for more than a second.

Or we could go underwater? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Silly Lance, not everyone is playing on a map with tons of water like PEI. Maybe he's playing on Russia and he's in the middle of the wilderness. Do you think he'd find a random ocean or stream within 10 seconds reaction time of seeing such a 'cancer car'? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

A secondary weapon that can shoot through the walls of the car and kill them? :thinking:

"One can easily just get a LMG and shoot the metal plates off the car". I don't think it's very easy to obtain an LMG on really any map besides washington. Plus if I had an LMG I wouldn't waste it on some car. Even if I did try to use an LMG against the explained 'cancer car' it would be moving too fast to shoot a specific plate out, I'd just be peppering all the plates and doing little bits of damage to all the shielding around the car, never actually getting through to anything.

Some vehicles tires cant be shot off *cough the APC*

"Spend tons of hours trying to break a few of the many traps on the car by relentlessly spawning in and chasing down the car" Do you know how stupid this sounds? A- they can easily repair it B- Maps like Russia are incredibly big and chasing down an armored behemoth isn't exactly fun C- If you were to be run over you'd only damage 3 out of the million barbwire on the car D- Not everyone has the gold upgrade and not everyone wants to waste their time switching steam accounts just for a single team on a single server

Scrap is very useless in Unturned at the time we talk. It currently takes 10 metal scrap to build just one metal wall, floor, roof, etc. Which are only twice or so as durable as wood, when you could get wood at 5x the rate of metal buildables. The only real use of metal I have is for crafting if ever a horde beacon or pump jack. It would be far more effective and efficient to invest my metal into an armored behemoth that is virtually unstoppable unless nobody is operating it.

Can you even read what I said? I've used a lower caliber weapon to destroy metal plates which can then be used to shoot off tires, not to kill the drivers by shooting through a wall. And playing on an empty server is not the ideal experience, since PVP is of course meant for server to at least have a sizable amount of people to make survival a challenge. ALSO, you can NOT repair traps, I've tried it before with barbed wire and fences with a blowtorch and it does not work, even if you try to salvage it, you'll only get a small fraction of what you used to craft it. PLUS OP talks about how easy it is to make these cars with NORMAL cars, OP barely talks about bulletproof cars since those are not as easy to find as cars that aren't bulletproof. Also not to mention OP talks about how people farm nakeds on Russia were people spawn and people spawn right next to water, so they could easily get into water. Scrap is not useless, compared to wood, raiding metal bases is MUCH more of a pain than raiding wooden bases, not to mention metal can be used to make storage. Plus, metal can make extremely important structures, such as horde beacons to get raiding gear, an oxygenerator to build an underwater base or a skybase and other useful stuff, like sentries. Please consider reading what I say next time.

[FOTW! ⁧⁧Bunkeris]

Originally posted by RA:HHR-5 Rain:

Originally posted by Dapper SEM:

well maybe thats because you most likely play in US servers, im from europe and i have never seen one of these cancer cars, maybe because most of the servers have no cars because some random russians took them somewhere and then never joined back into the server

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

> smart idea
> thinks the US players do it but the EU ones dont
> smart, effective idea
> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

well idk. That could be true /shrug. I know how to get a car when I want it, so I don't necessarily worry about people hoarding / hiding cars.

i believe American players come up with more "creative" ways of killing people instead of the good ol' full gear tactic that those pesky russians use.

[Rebel]

Originally posted by Lance:

Originally posted by RA:HHR-5 Rain:

Wrong. This is a problem on any server, regardless of it's plugins. I've seen it multiple times, people driving around with already-armored behemoth's like an APC, then adding millions of places, barb wire, barb wire fences, and basically making a killdozer 2.0. It's incredibly hard to break into such a car, even if theres nobody driving. And what would be the value? You just destroyed a car that probably doesn't even have much in the trunk. yay?




Ever heard of servers aren't always full? I've farmed for thousands of metal without any player interveining, and when they do I still kill them because they chose not to get the drop on me from afar (IE, they got closer and tried to spray me, etc).

Running sideways away from a mile long wall of barb wire? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. You get how rediculous this sound if you think about it for more than a second.

Or we could go underwater? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Silly Lance, not everyone is playing on a map with tons of water like PEI. Maybe he's playing on Russia and he's in the middle of the wilderness. Do you think he'd find a random ocean or stream within 10 seconds reaction time of seeing such a 'cancer car'? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

A secondary weapon that can shoot through the walls of the car and kill them? :thinking:

"One can easily just get a LMG and shoot the metal plates off the car". I don't think it's very easy to obtain an LMG on really any map besides washington. Plus if I had an LMG I wouldn't waste it on some car. Even if I did try to use an LMG against the explained 'cancer car' it would be moving too fast to shoot a specific plate out, I'd just be peppering all the plates and doing little bits of damage to all the shielding around the car, never actually getting through to anything.

Some vehicles tires cant be shot off *cough the APC*

"Spend tons of hours trying to break a few of the many traps on the car by relentlessly spawning in and chasing down the car" Do you know how stupid this sounds? A- they can easily repair it B- Maps like Russia are incredibly big and chasing down an armored behemoth isn't exactly fun C- If you were to be run over you'd only damage 3 out of the million barbwire on the car D- Not everyone has the gold upgrade and not everyone wants to waste their time switching steam accounts just for a single team on a single server

Scrap is very useless in Unturned at the time we talk. It currently takes 10 metal scrap to build just one metal wall, floor, roof, etc. Which are only twice or so as durable as wood, when you could get wood at 5x the rate of metal buildables. The only real use of metal I have is for crafting if ever a horde beacon or pump jack. It would be far more effective and efficient to invest my metal into an armored behemoth that is virtually unstoppable unless nobody is operating it.

Can you even read what I said? I've used a lower caliber weapon to destroy metal plates which can then be used to shoot off tires, not to kill the drivers by shooting through a wall. And playing on an empty server is not the ideal experience, since PVP is of course meant for server to at least have a sizable amount of people to make survival a challenge. ALSO, you can NOT repair traps, I've tried it before with barbed wire and fences with a blowtorch and it does not work, even if you try to salvage it, you'll only get a small fraction of what you used to craft it. PLUS OP talks about how easy it is to make these cars with NORMAL cars, OP barely talks about bulletproof cars since those are not as easy to find as cars that aren't bulletproof. Also not to mention OP talks about how people farm nakeds on Russia were people spawn and people spawn right next to water, so they could easily get into water. Scrap is not useless, compared to wood, raiding metal bases is MUCH more of a pain than raiding wooden bases, not to mention metal can be used to make storage. Plus, metal can make extremely important structures, such as horde beacons to get raiding gear, an oxygenerator to build an underwater base or a skybase and other useful stuff, like sentries. Please consider reading what I say next time.

What the ♥♥♥♥ are you even saying at this point? You know metal plates are small arms fire-immune right? Literally every single point of yours is just straight up wrong or comically stupid. I'm too tired to respond to this ♥♥♥♥ atm, and it seems like you are too since you got blown the ♥♥♥♥ out and didn't even respond.

[RainOfPain125]

Originally posted by Lance:

Originally posted by RA:HHR-5 Rain:

Wrong. This is a problem on any server, regardless of it's plugins. I've seen it multiple times, people driving around with already-armored behemoth's like an APC, then adding millions of places, barb wire, barb wire fences, and basically making a killdozer 2.0. It's incredibly hard to break into such a car, even if theres nobody driving. And what would be the value? You just destroyed a car that probably doesn't even have much in the trunk. yay?




Ever heard of servers aren't always full? I've farmed for thousands of metal without any player interveining, and when they do I still kill them because they chose not to get the drop on me from afar (IE, they got closer and tried to spray me, etc).

Running sideways away from a mile long wall of barb wire? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. You get how rediculous this sound if you think about it for more than a second.

Or we could go underwater? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Silly Lance, not everyone is playing on a map with tons of water like PEI. Maybe he's playing on Russia and he's in the middle of the wilderness. Do you think he'd find a random ocean or stream within 10 seconds reaction time of seeing such a 'cancer car'? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

A secondary weapon that can shoot through the walls of the car and kill them? :thinking:

"One can easily just get a LMG and shoot the metal plates off the car". I don't think it's very easy to obtain an LMG on really any map besides washington. Plus if I had an LMG I wouldn't waste it on some car. Even if I did try to use an LMG against the explained 'cancer car' it would be moving too fast to shoot a specific plate out, I'd just be peppering all the plates and doing little bits of damage to all the shielding around the car, never actually getting through to anything.

Some vehicles tires cant be shot off *cough the APC*

"Spend tons of hours trying to break a few of the many traps on the car by relentlessly spawning in and chasing down the car" Do you know how stupid this sounds? A- they can easily repair it B- Maps like Russia are incredibly big and chasing down an armored behemoth isn't exactly fun C- If you were to be run over you'd only damage 3 out of the million barbwire on the car D- Not everyone has the gold upgrade and not everyone wants to waste their time switching steam accounts just for a single team on a single server

Scrap is very useless in Unturned at the time we talk. It currently takes 10 metal scrap to build just one metal wall, floor, roof, etc. Which are only twice or so as durable as wood, when you could get wood at 5x the rate of metal buildables. The only real use of metal I have is for crafting if ever a horde beacon or pump jack. It would be far more effective and efficient to invest my metal into an armored behemoth that is virtually unstoppable unless nobody is operating it.

Can you even read what I said? I've used a lower caliber weapon to destroy metal plates which can then be used to shoot off tires, not to kill the drivers by shooting through a wall. And playing on an empty server is not the ideal experience, since PVP is of course meant for server to at least have a sizable amount of people to make survival a challenge. ALSO, you can NOT repair traps, I've tried it before with barbed wire and fences with a blowtorch and it does not work, even if you try to salvage it, you'll only get a small fraction of what you used to craft it. PLUS OP talks about how easy it is to make these cars with NORMAL cars, OP barely talks about bulletproof cars since those are not as easy to find as cars that aren't bulletproof. Also not to mention OP talks about how people farm nakeds on Russia were people spawn and people spawn right next to water, so they could easily get into water. Scrap is not useless, compared to wood, raiding metal bases is MUCH more of a pain than raiding wooden bases, not to mention metal can be used to make storage. Plus, metal can make extremely important structures, such as horde beacons to get raiding gear, an oxygenerator to build an underwater base or a skybase and other useful stuff, like sentries. Please consider reading what I say next time.

Originally posted by Lance:

Can you even read what I said? I've used a lower caliber weapon to destroy metal plates which can then be used to shoot off tires

Lance yet again trolling https://youtu.be/C7xK5TaZ1N8

Originally posted by Lance:

And playing on an empty server is not the ideal experience, since PVP is of course meant for server to at least have a sizable amount of people to make survival a challenge.

Have you ever heard of sleep? Some servers are more inactive at night because people are sleeping or etc. Some people like me stay up late and get to reap the rewards of few people being online.

Originally posted by Lance:

ALSO, you can NOT repair traps, I've tried it before with barbed wire and fences with a blowtorch and it does not work, even if you try to salvage it, you'll only get a small fraction of what you used to craft it.

Thats kinda funny because it's true. Just tested it. I've been here for like 3 years now reading update notes and never remembered nelson making bard wire unrepairable (it used to be repairable)

Originally posted by Lance:

PLUS OP talks about how easy it is to make these cars with NORMAL cars, OP barely talks about bulletproof cars since those are not as easy to find as cars that aren't bulletproof.

Well I'm talking about more OP cars. Even then theres some non-OP civilian cars with tires that cant be shot out like the Firetruck. It's still incredibly easy to make on normal cars are still effective as evidenced. This design only took 80 metal scrap and you can easily farm for another 100 or so and make a gigantic barb wire behemoth. https://youtu.be/Ys2FJDhXCNE

Originally posted by Lance:

Please consider reading what I say next time

I won't bother replying to the rest, as it's pretty subjective / opinion based. Not everyone wants to build an underwater base, not everyone is in scarcity of scrap.

[Chalino]

Originally posted by Rebel:

Originally posted by Lance:

Can you even read what I said? I've used a lower caliber weapon to destroy metal plates which can then be used to shoot off tires, not to kill the drivers by shooting through a wall. And playing on an empty server is not the ideal experience, since PVP is of course meant for server to at least have a sizable amount of people to make survival a challenge. ALSO, you can NOT repair traps, I've tried it before with barbed wire and fences with a blowtorch and it does not work, even if you try to salvage it, you'll only get a small fraction of what you used to craft it. PLUS OP talks about how easy it is to make these cars with NORMAL cars, OP barely talks about bulletproof cars since those are not as easy to find as cars that aren't bulletproof. Also not to mention OP talks about how people farm nakeds on Russia were people spawn and people spawn right next to water, so they could easily get into water. Scrap is not useless, compared to wood, raiding metal bases is MUCH more of a pain than raiding wooden bases, not to mention metal can be used to make storage. Plus, metal can make extremely important structures, such as horde beacons to get raiding gear, an oxygenerator to build an underwater base or a skybase and other useful stuff, like sentries. Please consider reading what I say next time.

What the ♥♥♥♥ are you even saying at this point? You know metal plates are small arms fire-immune right? Literally every single point of yours is just straight up wrong or comically stupid. I'm too tired to respond to this ♥♥♥♥ atm, and it seems like you are too since you got blown the ♥♥♥♥ out and didn't even respond.

Last time I tried I was able to shoot metal plates with low caliber. Also, there's no need to get mad at me for stating my opinion and experience, lmao. And I was playing a game, how is that "blown the ♥♥♥♥ out and didn't even respond"? I think you really need that sleep considering how mad you're getting over a block game.

Originally posted by RA:HHR-5 Rain:

Originally posted by Lance:

Can you even read what I said? I've used a lower caliber weapon to destroy metal plates which can then be used to shoot off tires, not to kill the drivers by shooting through a wall. And playing on an empty server is not the ideal experience, since PVP is of course meant for server to at least have a sizable amount of people to make survival a challenge. ALSO, you can NOT repair traps, I've tried it before with barbed wire and fences with a blowtorch and it does not work, even if you try to salvage it, you'll only get a small fraction of what you used to craft it. PLUS OP talks about how easy it is to make these cars with NORMAL cars, OP barely talks about bulletproof cars since those are not as easy to find as cars that aren't bulletproof. Also not to mention OP talks about how people farm nakeds on Russia were people spawn and people spawn right next to water, so they could easily get into water. Scrap is not useless, compared to wood, raiding metal bases is MUCH more of a pain than raiding wooden bases, not to mention metal can be used to make storage. Plus, metal can make extremely important structures, such as horde beacons to get raiding gear, an oxygenerator to build an underwater base or a skybase and other useful stuff, like sentries. Please consider reading what I say next time.

Originally posted by Lance:

Can you even read what I said? I've used a lower caliber weapon to destroy metal plates which can then be used to shoot off tires

Lance yet again trolling https://youtu.be/C7xK5TaZ1N8

Originally posted by Lance:

And playing on an empty server is not the ideal experience, since PVP is of course meant for server to at least have a sizable amount of people to make survival a challenge.

Have you ever heard of sleep? Some servers are more inactive at night because people are sleeping or etc. Some people like me stay up late and get to reap the rewards of few people being online.

Originally posted by Lance:

ALSO, you can NOT repair traps, I've tried it before with barbed wire and fences with a blowtorch and it does not work, even if you try to salvage it, you'll only get a small fraction of what you used to craft it.

Thats kinda funny because it's true. Just tested it. I've been here for like 3 years now reading update notes and never remembered nelson making bard wire unrepairable (it used to be repairable)

Originally posted by Lance:

PLUS OP talks about how easy it is to make these cars with NORMAL cars, OP barely talks about bulletproof cars since those are not as easy to find as cars that aren't bulletproof.

Well I'm talking about more OP cars. Even then theres some non-OP civilian cars with tires that cant be shot out like the Firetruck. It's still incredibly easy to make on normal cars are still effective as evidenced. This design only took 80 metal scrap and you can easily farm for another 100 or so and make a gigantic barb wire behemoth. https://youtu.be/Ys2FJDhXCNE

Originally posted by Lance:

Please consider reading what I say next time

I won't bother replying to the rest, as it's pretty subjective / opinion based. Not everyone wants to build an underwater base, not everyone is in scarcity of scrap.

Really? Last time I tried repairing traps with a blowtorch it did nothing. Plus I haven't even played survival in a long time because of the game's current state so I don't know every small change to the game made by Nelson. Also, how am I even trolling? Stating one's experience's is trolling? Your definition of "trolling" is far different than mine by a longshot. Sure, I may be wrong because I don't play the game 24/7 like you do, but that does not mean I'm a troll because I may get something wrong.