The matamorez sucks.

[Colonel Crossfire]

The matamorez sucks. Why? A number of reasons why. First of all, it's an assault rifle...that uses high cal ammuntion. Sure it does 70 damage a shot, which is ridiculus in an automatic weapon. But that only goes so far when what is in the magazine when you found it, is likely the only ammo you'll ever have for it. Finding high cal ranger ammo, on 4 of the 5 official maps is virtually impossible. Also it degrades very quickly and is very inaccurate even with maxed out sharpshooter. So it's stupidly impractical and it sucks. But would I make it not suck? First of all, i'd make it use low cal ranger ammo. Then i'd buff it's duribility and accuracy. But to counter act this, i'd nerf the damage down from 70 to 50. There it's fixed and worth using.

*EDIT* Im going to put this response I made to comment below to people will start to understand where I stand in this argument. I hope this helps.

"The problem with this is that on paper it sounds a like a good rifle, but in practice it's objectively worse than your other options. 70 damage is alot, but when put up aganist other assault rifles it's doesn't actually make that much of a difference. It'll kill someone in about a second assuming you hit the two headshots needed to kill someone with it. Comparing this to the other assault rifles. It'll kill about 0.3 seconds faster than the maplestrike, kills at about the same speed as the zubeknakov (yes the zubeknakov can kill faster than the maplestrike.), about 0.4 seconds faster than the heartbreaker and augewehr. So for an about half a second quicker kill speed at best you sacrifice: ammo capacity, accuracy, range, common ammo type, and duribility. And while being interally suppressed is nice, but it really doesn't save the gun. The problem is that it's an assault rifle with all the bad qualities of a sniper rifle thrown on. The transition from sniper rifle to assault rifle was just not executed correctly."

[Colonel Crossfire]

Originally posted by OBI JvlaDeYa | No computer:

The matamorez is an automatic sniper
It use high caliber because of its huge amount of damage, you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ said it yourself dumb ass: 70 damage. Without talking about the 5 or 6 bullet ya gonna use on a wooden wall
It's also have an implemented suppressor

You want a buff ? Go back in old versions: 99 damage (one shoot), 20 ammo (40 for box), same structure damage

The problem with this is that on paper it sounds a like a good rifle, but in practice it's objectively worse than your other options. 70 damage is alot, but when put up aganist other assault rifles it's doesn't actually make that much of a difference. It'll kill someone in about a second assuming you hit the two headshots needed to kill someone with it. Comparing this to the other assault rifles. It'll kill about 0.3 seconds faster than the maplestrike, kills at about the same speed as the zubeknakov (yes the zubeknakov can kill faster than the maplestrike.), about 0.4 seconds faster than the heartbreaker and augewehr. So for an about half a second quicker kill speed at best you sacrifice: ammo capacity, accuracy, range, common ammo type, and duribility. And while being interally suppressed is nice, but it really doesn't save the gun. The problem is that it's an assault rifle with all the bad qualities of a sniper rifle thrown on. The transition from sniper rifle to assault rifle was just not executed correctly.

P.S. You are wrong, It's actually an assault rifle, read the in game description of the weapon. You have more hours than me and you still don't know this? You shouldn't be arguing because you can't even correctly classify the gun. It has been an assault rifle for 8 months and just now, I have to metaphorically slap you across the face for you to finally realize that. So who really is the dumb ass?

[Colonel Crossfire]

Originally posted by XxsniperxX | Kickback.com:

Originally posted by Colonel Crossfire:

The matamorez sucks. Why? A number of reasons why. First of all, it's an assault rifle...that uses high cal ammuntion. Sure it does 70 damage a shot, which is ridiculus in an automatic weapon. But that only goes so far when what is in the clip when you found it, is likely the only ammo you'll ever have for it. Finding high cal ranger ammo, on 4 of the 5 official maps is virtually impossible. Also it degrades very quickly and is very inaccurate even with maxed out sharpshooter. So it's stupidly impractical and it sucks. But would I make it not suck? First of all, i'd make it use low cal ranger ammo. Then i'd buff it's duribility and accuracy. But to counter act this, i'd nerf the damage down from 70 to 50. There it's fixed and worth using.

First its a marksmen rifle, Second its really rare, third the ammo is also rare fourth Of course it degrades quickly its a damn automatic marksmen rifle, fifth Its not impracticle and doesn't suck sixth its very accurate u just suck at aiming seventh it's not an assault rifle so it should use high cal bullets, Eigth IT'S FINE HOW IT IS

No it's classified as an assault rifle. And it has the shortest effective range of them all. I wish you'd atleast read the wiki page before making a fool out of yourself. But I forgot that im dealing with unturned players, so here's the wiki article for you.

http://unturned.wikia.com/wiki/Matamorez

Now stop being stupid. Thanks.

[Doy Man]

Originally posted by Colonel Crossfire:

Originally posted by XxsniperxX | Kickback.com:

First its a marksmen rifle, Second its really rare, third the ammo is also rare fourth Of course it degrades quickly its a damn automatic marksmen rifle, fifth Its not impracticle and doesn't suck sixth its very accurate u just suck at aiming seventh it's not an assault rifle so it should use high cal bullets, Eigth IT'S FINE HOW IT IS

No it's classified as an assault rifle. And it has the shortest effective range of them all. I wish you'd atleast read the wiki page before making a fool out of yourself. But I forgot that im dealing with unturned players, so here's the wiki article for you.

http://unturned.wikia.com/wiki/Matamorez

Now stop being stupid. Thanks.

burned

[Mania]

Originally posted by Colonel Crossfire:

Originally posted by OBI JvlaDeYa | No computer:

The matamorez is an automatic sniper
It use high caliber because of its huge amount of damage, you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ said it yourself dumb ass: 70 damage. Without talking about the 5 or 6 bullet ya gonna use on a wooden wall
It's also have an implemented suppressor

You want a buff ? Go back in old versions: 99 damage (one shoot), 20 ammo (40 for box), same structure damage

The problem with this is that on paper it sounds a like a good rifle, but in practice it's objectively worse than your other options. 70 damage is alot, but when put up aganist other assault rifles it's doesn't actually make that much of a difference. It'll kill someone in about a second assuming you hit the two headshots needed to kill someone with it. Comparing this to the other assault rifles. It'll kill about 0.3 seconds faster than the maplestrike, kills at about the same speed as the zubeknakov (yes the zubeknakov can kill faster than the maplestrike.), about 0.4 seconds faster than the heartbreaker and augewehr. So for an about half a second quicker kill speed at best you sacrifice: ammo capacity, accuracy, range, common ammo type, and duribility. And while being interally suppressed is nice, but it really doesn't save the gun. The problem is that it's an assault rifle with all the bad qualities of a sniper rifle thrown on. The transition from sniper rifle to assault rifle was just not executed correctly.

P.S. You are wrong, It's actually an assault rifle, read the in game description of the weapon. You have more hours than me and you still don't know this? You shouldn't be arguing because you can't even correctly classify the gun. It has been an assault rifle for 8 months and just now, I have to metaphorically slap you across the face for you to finally realize that. So who really is the dumb ass?

Just because someone has more hours then u doesn't mean they should know more stuff. Plus in Canada those kinds of weapons are classified as assault rifles. In the US they fall under the category of Marksmen rifle/DMR. Never count on a game for facts on a weapon or anything. Don't be that person who says the M4 is actually called a maplestrike.

The VSS "Vintorez" is a silenced sniper rifle that makes use of a permanent silencer assembly as well as specially-developed subsonic ammunition.

I have less hours then you and u got it wrong

Roast

[Peedeoo7]

*Warning*
Flame War!
*Warning*
Flame war!

[Mania]

Originally posted by Peedeoo7:

*Warning*
Flame War!
*Warning*
Flame war!

Just because we are killing each other with facts doesn't mean we're starting a flame war

[Mania]

VSS

VSS Vintorez
Type
Special Sniper rifle
Place of origin
Soviet Union
Service history
In service
1987–present
Used by
see Users
Wars
Soviet war in Afghanistan, Chechen Wars, 2008 South Ossetia war, War in Donbass[1]
Production history
Designer
Petr Serdjukov and Vladimir Krasnikov
Designed
1980s
Manufacturer
Tula Arms Plant
Produced
1987–present
Specifications
Weight
2.6 kg (5.73 lb)
Length
894 mm (35.2 in)
Barrel length
200 mm (7.9 in)

Cartridge
9x39mm
Action
Gas-operated
Rate of fire
700 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity
282–292 m/s (925–958 ft/s)
Effective firing range
300 m with iron sight, 400 m with PSO-1
Feed system
10 or 20-round detachable box magazine
Sights
PSO-1 telescopic sight, 1PN51 night vision scope and iron sights
The VSS (Russian: Винтовка Снайперская Специальная, Vintovka Snayperskaya Spetsialnaya or "Special Sniper Rifle", GRAU designation 6P29), also called the Vintorez ("thread cutter"), is a *HERE!*suppressed sniper rifle that uses a heavy subsonic 9×39mm SP5 cartridge and armor-piercing SP6 cartridge. It was developed in the late 1980s by TsNIITochMash and manufactured by the Tula Arsenal. It is issued primarily to Spetsnaz units for undercover or clandestine operations, a role made evident by its ability to be stripped down for transport in a specially fitted briefcase.

Copied and pasted from wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSS_Vintorez

[Colonel Crossfire]

Originally posted by XxsniperxX | Kickback.com:

Originally posted by Colonel Crossfire:

The problem with this is that on paper it sounds a like a good rifle, but in practice it's objectively worse than your other options. 70 damage is alot, but when put up aganist other assault rifles it's doesn't actually make that much of a difference. It'll kill someone in about a second assuming you hit the two headshots needed to kill someone with it. Comparing this to the other assault rifles. It'll kill about 0.3 seconds faster than the maplestrike, kills at about the same speed as the zubeknakov (yes the zubeknakov can kill faster than the maplestrike.), about 0.4 seconds faster than the heartbreaker and augewehr. So for an about half a second quicker kill speed at best you sacrifice: ammo capacity, accuracy, range, common ammo type, and duribility. And while being interally suppressed is nice, but it really doesn't save the gun. The problem is that it's an assault rifle with all the bad qualities of a sniper rifle thrown on. The transition from sniper rifle to assault rifle was just not executed correctly.

P.S. You are wrong, It's actually an assault rifle, read the in game description of the weapon. You have more hours than me and you still don't know this? You shouldn't be arguing because you can't even correctly classify the gun. It has been an assault rifle for 8 months and just now, I have to metaphorically slap you across the face for you to finally realize that. So who really is the dumb ass?

Just because someone has more hours then u doesn't mean they should know more stuff. Plus in Canada those kinds of weapons are classified as assault rifles. In the US they fall under the category of Marksmen rifle/DMR. Never count on a game for facts on a weapon or anything. Don't be that person who says the M4 is actually called a maplestrike.

I have less hours then you and u got it wrong

Roast [/quote]
This doesn't count as an argument for a roast. The matamorez functions as an assault rifle. End of story.

[Colonel Crossfire]

Originally posted by XxsniperxX | Kickback.com:

VSS

VSS Vintorez
Type
Special Sniper rifle
Place of origin
Soviet Union
Service history
In service
1987–present
Used by
see Users
Wars
Soviet war in Afghanistan, Chechen Wars, 2008 South Ossetia war, War in Donbass[1]
Production history
Designer
Petr Serdjukov and Vladimir Krasnikov
Designed
1980s
Manufacturer
Tula Arms Plant
Produced
1987–present
Specifications
Weight
2.6 kg (5.73 lb)
Length
894 mm (35.2 in)
Barrel length
200 mm (7.9 in)

Cartridge
9x39mm
Action
Gas-operated
Rate of fire
700 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity
282–292 m/s (925–958 ft/s)
Effective firing range
300 m with iron sight, 400 m with PSO-1
Feed system
10 or 20-round detachable box magazine
Sights
PSO-1 telescopic sight, 1PN51 night vision scope and iron sights
The VSS (Russian: Винтовка Снайперская Специальная, Vintovka Snayperskaya Spetsialnaya or "Special Sniper Rifle", GRAU designation 6P29), also called the Vintorez ("thread cutter"), is a *HERE!*suppressed sniper rifle that uses a heavy subsonic 9×39mm SP5 cartridge and armor-piercing SP6 cartridge. It was developed in the late 1980s by TsNIITochMash and manufactured by the Tula Arsenal. It is issued primarily to Spetsnaz units for undercover or clandestine operations, a role made evident by its ability to be stripped down for transport in a specially fitted briefcase.

Copied and pasted from wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSS_Vintorez

Doesn't matter. It's an assault rifle in game. (but for realism sake it should be a AS Val which is the sister rifle to the VSS Vintorez and is an assault rifle.)

[Mania]

Originally posted by Colonel Crossfire:

Originally posted by XxsniperxX | Kickback.com:

Just because someone has more hours then u doesn't mean they should know more stuff. Plus in Canada those kinds of weapons are classified as assault rifles. In the US they fall under the category of Marksmen rifle/DMR. Never count on a game for facts on a weapon or anything. Don't be that person who says the M4 is actually called a maplestrike.

I have less hours then you and u got it wrong

This doesn't count as an argument for a roast. The matamorez functions as an assault rifle. End of story.

Fine, I'll spam you with Sites all claiming it's a Specialized sniper

[Mania]

Originally posted by Colonel Crossfire:

Originally posted by XxsniperxX | Kickback.com:

VSS

VSS Vintorez
Type
Special Sniper rifle
Place of origin
Soviet Union
Service history
In service
1987–present
Used by
see Users
Wars
Soviet war in Afghanistan, Chechen Wars, 2008 South Ossetia war, War in Donbass[1]
Production history
Designer
Petr Serdjukov and Vladimir Krasnikov
Designed
1980s
Manufacturer
Tula Arms Plant
Produced
1987–present
Specifications
Weight
2.6 kg (5.73 lb)
Length
894 mm (35.2 in)
Barrel length
200 mm (7.9 in)

Cartridge
9x39mm
Action
Gas-operated
Rate of fire
700 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity
282–292 m/s (925–958 ft/s)
Effective firing range
300 m with iron sight, 400 m with PSO-1
Feed system
10 or 20-round detachable box magazine
Sights
PSO-1 telescopic sight, 1PN51 night vision scope and iron sights
The VSS (Russian: Винтовка Снайперская Специальная, Vintovka Snayperskaya Spetsialnaya or "Special Sniper Rifle", GRAU designation 6P29), also called the Vintorez ("thread cutter"), is a *HERE!*suppressed sniper rifle that uses a heavy subsonic 9×39mm SP5 cartridge and armor-piercing SP6 cartridge. It was developed in the late 1980s by TsNIITochMash and manufactured by the Tula Arsenal. It is issued primarily to Spetsnaz units for undercover or clandestine operations, a role made evident by its ability to be stripped down for transport in a specially fitted briefcase.

Copied and pasted from wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSS_Vintorez

Doesn't matter. It's an assault rifle in game.

Yeah, The game...

[Colonel Crossfire]

Originally posted by XxsniperxX | Kickback.com:

Originally posted by Colonel Crossfire:

This doesn't count as an argument for a roast. The matamorez functions as an assault rifle. End of story.

Fine, I'll spam you with Sites all claiming it's a Specialized sniper

Won't make the matamorez a sniper rifle.

[Colonel Crossfire]

Originally posted by XxsniperxX | Kickback.com:

Originally posted by Colonel Crossfire:

Doesn't matter. It's an assault rifle in game.

Yeah, The game...

Yes the game. Not real life.

[Colonel Crossfire]

Real life counter parts mean nothing. VSS Vintorez is a sniper rifle. The matamorez is an assault rifle. I will refer to the matamorez as such.
I am going to copy paste this on every single comment talking about the VSS Vintorez being a sniper rifle. I get it, I understand, It doesn't matter.

[Ghost]

The Matamorez is based of the Vintovka Snayperskaya Spetsialnaya (VSS) Vintorez which in Russia is classified as a Special Sniper Rifle. More Info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSS_Vintorez