So does anyone else think Gat kinda sucks?

[Karsk]

Maybe I'm not using him right bc on paper he should be a powerhouse but he always gets downed really fast. He seems to have the least sustain out of any agent i've used so far (about half of them)

How is he meant to be used?

[Run dem Weh]

Originally posted by RevCat:

Originally posted by Run dem Weh:

Possibly ? I'm not 100% sure, haven't touched difficulty 15 yet, i'm playing on 13 right now cause it's more efficient.

But from a tiny bit of testing i literally just did right now, on difficulty 13, same setup, no debuffs or buffs or any sort on etiher Agent nor on the enemies, it takes 3 full crit bursts (all headshots) by Braddock to kill a Veteran Pride Helltrooper, while Gat can 1shot them (4,1k dmg, they have a little less than 4k health).

Noice!
What set-up would you recommend for Gat to maximize his power?

Honestly, i'm just putting on stuff that sounds good in my head for now, because i'm leveling up Agent after Agent, got about half of them to 40 by now.

I'll really start fiddling around with full on setups (gadget wise and squad wise, for synergy and all) soon enough.

[Revalopod]

Originally posted by ImHelping:

Originally posted by RevCat:

Noice!
What set-up would you recommend for Gat to maximize his power?

The absolute basic is "Crit damage before squad weapon damage" if you want those shotgun headshots to have better odds of killing things on the first try.

Alrighty.

[Run dem Weh]

Note that my 1shots come from an unoptimized Squad, without synergy, no debuffs applied to enemies nor buffs applied to Agents, this was all Gat himself since the other Agents i had with me were Braddock (XP bonus) and Rama (reduced debuff duration).

His dmg can go way, way higher than that, just by inflicting vulnerability on someone it already went up to like nearly 7k, and that's just scratching the surface.

[Revalopod]

Originally posted by Run dem Weh:

Note that my 1shots come from an unoptimized Squad, without synergy, no debuffs applied to enemies nor buffs applied to Agents, this was all Gat himself since the other Agents i had with me were Braddock (XP bonus) and Rama (reduced debuff duration).

His dmg can go way, way higher than that, just by inflicting vulnerability on someone it already went up to like nearly 7k, and that's just scratching the surface.

Wow, I guess there's a lot of minmaxing strategy potential in this game xP

[Run dem Weh]

Originally posted by RevCat:

Originally posted by Run dem Weh:

Note that my 1shots come from an unoptimized Squad, without synergy, no debuffs applied to enemies nor buffs applied to Agents, this was all Gat himself since the other Agents i had with me were Braddock (XP bonus) and Rama (reduced debuff duration).

His dmg can go way, way higher than that, just by inflicting vulnerability on someone it already went up to like nearly 7k, and that's just scratching the surface.

Wow, I guess there's a lot of minmaxing strategy potential in this game xP

There definitely is, something most people don't seem to realize is that most Agents will seem weak until you have maxed them out, if you're playing on higher difficulties (like taking lvl 5 Agents to difficulty 12+), or strong if you're just playing lower difficulties.

Get to 20 (40), play on around difficulty 12 and then compare one Agent to another.

Oni felt really weak and pointless to me at first because he only has 7 shots and his dmg was bad, but i totally forgot i was playing on difficulty 12 and he was low lvl, as soon as he reached 20 and i upgraded him to 40 immediately, he was a total beast and an absolute blast to play, he's super fun.

Like if you do what i did and play Oni on difficulty 12 with a lvl below 10, you're gonna waste a whole mag on just 1 enemy, of course he's gonna feel weak at that point, so be wary of that.

[Run dem Weh]

Originally posted by ImHelping:

Anyone upset with Gat should take a time out and play Red Card instead.

This goes for most characters on the roster.

"Oh you think X character is underperforming to your expectations? Red Card."

Originally posted by DanteYoda:

You can't be serious her burst fire to pretty much anything one shots most. (hit them in the head..)

Like in all cases of "But X one shots with headshots!" once the main plot progresses, combined with difficulty scaling, nor so much anymore.

She still puts out nice damage. But the game still turns into "Level 20 Braddock needs multiple special ammo headshots to kill bottom of the barrel troopers"

Though that is part of her appeal over low ammo heavy hitters. as "My headshot only did 75%-90% of their health" hurts less when you have 10 trigger pulls of both normal or special ammo.

"I got Oni! Let's put 10 levels into +50% special damage ASAP!" *Still only does half the life bar of a generic trooper with special attack headshots* "You know, he seemed a lot stronger in his intro mission"

Yeah i'll get back to you once i'm done with Red Card, as i'm leveling him at the moment.

Also, if you're talking about Braddock only, then yes, cause as i've said Gat is definitely able to 1shot enemies on some of the highest difficulty levels, and more than just the weakest type.

[WeedBluntBlazing]

yeah gat is pretty weak in this game. i was down quickly when trying to fight armor dudes on level 11. sadly pierce is not really good either. i guess for the ninja females that go after you with 2 daggers but other than that i dont really like his weapon, if i want to destroy armor daisy does a better job at that. i wanted pierce to at lease have a ak 47 type of gun

[Run dem Weh]

Originally posted by GhostAkaNoahDunn:

yeah gat is pretty weak in this game. i was down quickly when trying to fight armor dudes on level 11. sadly pierce is not really good either. i guess for the ninja females that go after you with 2 daggers but other than that i dont really like his weapon, if i want to destroy armor daisy does a better job at that. i wanted pierce to at lease have a ak 47 type of gun

SMGs fit a gangsta much better, they don't tend to stereotypically use ak-47's lol.

Gat's not weak at all as proven in enough comments already, and Kingpin has a ridiculously high dmg output aswell, not to mention he's quite tanky actually, both his health and shield are high.

[WeedBluntBlazing]

Originally posted by Run dem Weh:

Originally posted by GhostAkaNoahDunn:

yeah gat is pretty weak in this game. i was down quickly when trying to fight armor dudes on level 11. sadly pierce is not really good either. i guess for the ninja females that go after you with 2 daggers but other than that i dont really like his weapon, if i want to destroy armor daisy does a better job at that. i wanted pierce to at lease have a ak 47 type of gun

SMGs fit a gangsta much better, they don't tend to stereotypically use ak-47's lol.

Gat's not weak at all as proven in enough comments already, and Kingpin has a ridiculously high dmg output aswell, not to mention he's quite tanky actually, both his health and shield are high.

thats great and all but i play on level 11 difficulty with only half the health because the agents are at level 15 and 17. except braddock. shes the only character thats really good at damage and moving around avoiding hits. what i mean by damage is a long range rifle with AP rounds. pretty good combo. so i dont think i'll ever use gat and pierce even though i liked saints row. they would just hold me down on very high difficulties. id have to lower it again in order to even level gat up to super agent otherwise he would be gone in 2 shots

[Run dem Weh]

Originally posted by GhostAkaNoahDunn:

Originally posted by Run dem Weh:

SMGs fit a gangsta much better, they don't tend to stereotypically use ak-47's lol.

Gat's not weak at all as proven in enough comments already, and Kingpin has a ridiculously high dmg output aswell, not to mention he's quite tanky actually, both his health and shield are high.

thats great and all but i play on level 11 difficulty with only half the health because the agents are at level 15 and 17. except braddock. shes the only character thats really good at damage and moving around avoiding hits. what i mean by damage is a long range rifle with AP rounds. pretty good combo. so i dont think i'll ever use gat and pierce even though i liked saints row. they would just hold me down on very high difficulties. id have to lower it again in order to even level gat up to super agent otherwise he would be gone in 2 shots

See, that's where you're mistaken, Gat is quite brilliant on higher difficulties because he's one of the few Agents that has the dmg to 1shot enemies.

Btw by far the best thing you can do is get Braddock to 20 asap, then use all your cores to make her 40 immediately, and then only use her on the higher difficulties of 10-15 whatever you can comfortably handle, bring 2 low level Agents you want to level up and pick fights with Legion.

Just provoking Legion so you get hordes of enemies is the fastest way to level up by far. Of course if it becomes too boring just playing Braddock all day, any other lvl 40 Agent would suffice, her 10% bonus XP aren't going to make that much of a difference in the end, it's just the fastest possible way.

The way things are looking, my guess would be that Gat is in fact the only one who can even 1shot things on the highest difficulty (15), haven't tried it yet, but it seems like it at this point.

And obviously the faster you can clear enemies, the safer you'll be as enemies swaming you is really dangerous, regardless of what range you have.

[whystler]

Gat is good for fulfilling Mayhem kills contracts on a low difficulty. The fact that his Mayhem ability autolocks guarantees a handfull of kills each time. It also builds up pretty fast.

Braddocks does well with special ability kills, although Yeti could be good at that too when he's swarmed.