The first zombie...

[Omaeka]

After Barry downs it with the magnum (3 shots wtf) it gets up and RETREATS!? Even closes the door behind itself to return to the corridoor you meet it in, this doesn't make any sense! I'm not nit picking, I've played the RE series since I was a kid and usually ignore the really odd or stupid logic the games use, even enjoy it most of the time... But this is something else.

Zombies in RE are supposed to be mindless killing machines with no self preservation or fear, but this dude straight up nopes the hell out of the room after tasting a few magnum shots.

[Omaeka]

I get what you mean about displaying game mechanics, but it is undeniable that zombie exhibits some considerable amounts of intelligence to do those things, they could of just had it reanimate as a Crimson right as you both leave and have Barry kill it once and for all, but instead it runs back to the other room to fix the elevator! Also, there is barely any time between it's moan and it getting through the door, that guy is quick on his feet!

[Nerevar]

the only real ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on that zombie is that it takes freaking 3 rounds from barrys magnum to down it. yet when you get barrys magnum it basicly has a 100% headshot chance on zombies and it always INSTANTLY kills them with 1 shot. even when they become crimson heads.

so yeah. THAT part really is total bs. way more bs than the door closeing or the zombie getting up. if it fell down after 1 round and got up again it would be believeable atleast somehow. but 3 rounds? i call hax !

[Omaeka]

Originally posted by Nerevar:

the only real ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on that zombie is that it takes freaking 3 rounds from barrys magnum to down it. yet when you get barrys magnum it basicly has a 100% headshot chance on zombies and it always INSTANTLY kills them with 1 shot. even when they become crimson heads.

so yeah. THAT part really is total bs. way more bs than the door closeing or the zombie getting up. if it fell down after 1 round and got up again it would be believeable atleast somehow. but 3 rounds? i call hax !

Lol Barry's magnum is a one shot kill even on bosses, it's a super OP weapon and is also an easter egg in 4 (Handcannon) but yeah, you're right. That first zombie is mega tanky, can't ignore the damage Kenneth did to it before being kill too.

[Lanzagranadas]

Thing is that Barry's gun in the original game was just an ordinary Colt Python 357, not a friggin .44 Magnum so the cutscene in the original RE1 made more sense. Anyway even magnums shouldn't instant kill zombies, they do in-game because the old RE games were scripted so that Magnum shots where allways head shots, but zombies shouldn't die if you shoot them in the knees or in the torso even if you're shooting with a .44 or .50.

I agree the zombie retreating part makes literally no sense, and it's even a logic breaker since no zombie would do that and it's even implied that they aren't smart enough to open and close doors.

[Nerevar]

Originally posted by Omaeka:

Originally posted by Nerevar:

the only real ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on that zombie is that it takes freaking 3 rounds from barrys magnum to down it. yet when you get barrys magnum it basicly has a 100% headshot chance on zombies and it always INSTANTLY kills them with 1 shot. even when they become crimson heads.

so yeah. THAT part really is total bs. way more bs than the door closeing or the zombie getting up. if it fell down after 1 round and got up again it would be believeable atleast somehow. but 3 rounds? i call hax !

Lol Barry's magnum is a one shot kill even on bosses, it's a super OP weapon and is also an easter egg in 4 (Handcannon) but yeah, you're right. That first zombie is mega tanky, can't ignore the damage Kenneth did to it before being kill too.

wrong. the handcannon is not a the same magnum. look again^^ also the handcannon is not an easter egg at all.

magnums are not scripted to always perform headshots either btw. thats flat out wrong. atleast for the remake. i think in zero its scripted as the revolver always headshots there (100% critical rate basicly)

but in remake you can magnum shot zombies and theyll dont lose thier heads. the chance is HIGH but not 100%.

[Omaeka]

Originally posted by Nerevar:

Originally posted by Omaeka:

Lol Barry's magnum is a one shot kill even on bosses, it's a super OP weapon and is also an easter egg in 4 (Handcannon) but yeah, you're right. That first zombie is mega tanky, can't ignore the damage Kenneth did to it before being kill too.

wrong. the handcannon is not a the same magnum. look again^^ also the handcannon is not an easter egg at all.

magnums are not scripted to always perform headshots either btw. thats flat out wrong. atleast for the remake. i think in zero its scripted as the revolver always headshots there (100% critical rate basicly)

but in remake you can magnum shot zombies and theyll dont lose thier heads. the chance is HIGH but not 100%.

Are you sure? I will look it up now. Though I think the Handcannon is a reference/easter egg to something, by the way it is unlocked!

Yeah!

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/residentevil/images/5/5f/Re4_handcannon_close.png/revision/latest?cb=20120117021956

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/residentevil/images/4/4f/Barry_44_magnum.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150130095226

I know the HC is a .50 cal, has a thinner barrel in favor of a laser sight and a modified barrel extension, but they look incredibly similar, just look at the grips!

Super sexy guns ^^

[Nerevar]

similar doesnt make them the same gun no matter what. they are both magnum types but thats it for the things they got in common. since when is beating a certain mode and getting a reward for it considered an easter egg? its not. its just another unlockable item.

[Lava Alien 1000]

Originally posted by Lanzagranadas:

Thing is that Barry's gun in the original game was just an ordinary Colt Python 357, not a friggin .44 Magnum so the cutscene in the original RE1 made more sense. Anyway even magnums shouldn't instant kill zombies, they do in-game because the old RE games were scripted so that Magnum shots where allways head shots, but zombies shouldn't die if you shoot them in the knees or in the torso even if you're shooting with a .44 or .50.

I agree the zombie retreating part makes literally no sense, and it's even a logic breaker since no zombie would do that and it's even implied that they aren't smart enough to open and close doors.

Nope RE1 zombies are not same as RE2/3 zombies and they are smart enough to know how to open doors.

The Basement zombie also opens the door.

[Omaeka]

Originally posted by Lanzagranadas:

Thing is that Barry's gun in the original game was just an ordinary Colt Python 357, not a friggin .44 Magnum so the cutscene in the original RE1 made more sense. Anyway even magnums shouldn't instant kill zombies, they do in-game because the old RE games were scripted so that Magnum shots where allways head shots, but zombies shouldn't die if you shoot them in the knees or in the torso even if you're shooting with a .44 or .50.

I agree the zombie retreating part makes literally no sense, and it's even a logic breaker since no zombie would do that and it's even implied that they aren't smart enough to open and close doors.

Resident Evil zombies aren't the 'shoot em in the head' types you see in most things, when the host's body absorbs enough damage the T virus forces it into an unconscious state to repair it with the side effect of further mutation.

Dunno why it took me that long to pick up on you saying that lol.

The things that are wrong with the first zombie are the facts he is probably faster than a Crimson and the fact he actively made a choice to not engage the two heavily armed humans and instead chose to retreat back to the hallway, just about everything else is ok in the lore IMO.

[Lanzagranadas]

Originally posted by Darkalien100:

Nope RE1 zombies are not same as RE2/3 zombies and they are smart enough to know how to open doors.

You have only two zombies opening a door in the entire game, doesn't mean everyone else can do it. Zombies in the RE series generally aren't smart enough to open doors, they can beat doors or maybe accidentaly opening them, but they don't normally have the intelligence to figure out they have to use the door knob. Those two zombies are probably just "special".

Originally posted by Omaeka:

Resident Evil zombies aren't the 'shoot em in the head' types you see in most things, when the host's body absorbs enough damage the T virus forces it into an unconscious state to repair it with the side effect of further mutation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibfxJJylLTk

Currently, there are two known methods to cease resurrection:
1. INCINERATION
2. DESTRUCTION OF THE HEAD

How come they're not the shoot em in the head type? when in fact destroying their brains is precisely one of the two methods to definitely kill them.

[Omaeka]

Originally posted by Lanzagranadas:

Originally posted by Omaeka:

Resident Evil zombies aren't the 'shoot em in the head' types you see in most things, when the host's body absorbs enough damage the T virus forces it into an unconscious state to repair it with the side effect of further mutation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibfxJJylLTk

Currently, there are two known methods to cease resurrection:
1. INCINERATION
2. DESTRUCTION OF THE HEAD

How come they're not the shoot em in the head type? when in fact destroying their brains is precisely one of the two methods to definitely kill them.

Exactly, unless their brains are destroyed, excessive damage to the body will cause the T virus to force the host into a dormant state to repair, in the process of repairing there is further mutation into a Crimson and if the Crimson doesn't have its melon popped or it's body burnt, it will mutate into a Licker. The exact same thing happens to the Tyrants, hence their power coats, as the further they mutate from repairing sustained damage the less controllable they become.

I guess I worded it poorly, my original point that was they can be 'defeated' without headshots, as I was sort of backing up your point of the magnum not killing the hallway zombie from 3 shots to the chest, simply incapacitating them. But yes you're right, in the 'lore' they are shoot em in the head types but in the game mechanics the ole 7 shots to the chest thing the series has always had even before Crimsons never actually killed them but would take them out of the game.

I wonder how long Capcom had the idea for Crimsons in mind, because the original zombies in 1,2,3, CV etc. all twitched when they were killed without a headpop, I think the Crimon mechanic has always been there in lore, how cool when you think back to it.

Also, the CGI movies are so damn underrated.

[Lanzagranadas]

There's no data on Crimson Heads turning into Lickers. CHs and Lickers are just different zombie evolutions given under different circumstances.

And yeah, you can defeat a zombie by shooting at his body, but lore-wise he'll eventually raise again until you land a bullet or two on his brain, or completely destroy/incinerate his body. Being able to kill a zombie with some body shots is mostly a gameplay thing since in the classic RE games head shots were based on a random occurrence and sometimes would never occur.

RE2 Hard/Nightmare mode get this done pretty "realistic" as zombies are very much bullet sponges unless you land a headshot on them.

[Omaeka]

Originally posted by Lanzagranadas:

There's no data on Crimson Heads turning into Lickers. CHs and Lickers are just different zombie evolutions given under different circumstances.

And yeah, you can defeat a zombie by shooting at his body, but lore-wise he'll eventually raise again until you land a bullet or two on his brain, or completely destroy/incinerate his body. Being able to kill a zombie with some body shots is mostly a gameplay thing since in the classic RE games head shots were based on a random occurrence and sometimes would never occur.

RE2 Hard/Nightmare mode get this done pretty "realistic" as zombies are very much bullet sponges unless you land a headshot on them.

Hmm, really? What is with the CH/Licker hybrid in Outbreak? She seemed to be in the process of mutating from a CH to a Licker.

[Lanzagranadas]

Probably just a freak mutation. The regular Lickers have allways been described as evolved zombies after further exposure to the virus.

[steven272]

Originally posted by Omaeka:

After Barry downs it with the magnum (3 shots wtf) it gets up and RETREATS!? Even closes the door behind itself to return to the corridoor you meet it in, this doesn't make any sense! I'm not nit picking, I've played the RE series since I was a kid and usually ignore the really odd or stupid logic the games use, even enjoy it most of the time... But this is something else.

Zombies in RE are supposed to be mindless killing machines with no self preservation or fear, but this dude straight up nopes the hell out of the room after tasting a few magnum shots.

I found that after it returns to the corridor if you kill it before returning to Barry when you re-enter the corridor it’s still on the floor where you killed it

3 mag rounds to down one zombie is he bulletproof