Buying things with IRL $$$

[Acey Drgn]

A friend of mine on Trove claims to have been buying chaos chests from another user for actual IRL money. He claims it's totally fine and the "Terms of Service" don't mention anything against this... however, the TOS is written in such a complex way, it's a bit hard to tell if it's saying one thing or another. I tried to read it but, I got a migrane soon after.

So, I'll ask here. Buying items (no, not CODES) with IRL money... wrong or not?

TL;DR (For the ones who cannot read):

Buying things with IRL money. Allowed? Yes? No? If yes or no, point out where on the ToS where it's mentioned. Thanks.

[Acey Drgn]

Originally posted by XTripleJaxX:

literally almost every game tells you not to do this as its considered selling the companies rights to the item, the fact that you posted this could now possibly cause someone to take action against your account for violating it

I didn't violate anything... asking a question is a violation against Trove's ToS? That's stupid...

[Kipperdoodad]

Originally posted by XTripleJaxX:

literally almost every game tells you not to do this as its considered selling the companies rights to the item, the fact that you posted this could now possibly cause someone to take action against your account for violating it

> the fact that you posted this could now possibly cause someone to take action against your account for violating it
> action against your account for violating it
> literally just a question

are you stupid?

[Alanthier]

action cannot be taken against his account because HE is merely asking a question about what someone ELSE has claimed. If any action IS taken against his account it would be considered wrongful. If you ppl had any common sense, you would see that he flat out said "I tried to read it but, I got a migrane soon after. So, I'll ask here. Buying items (no, not CODES) with IRL money... wrong or not?"

Nothing in his post even suggests that he has anything to do with RWT(for those of you who are slow, it means Real World Trading) He was merely asking a question on whether it actually does violate the terms of service or not, in which case to answer his question, Yes. Your friend is violating the terms of service.

[Acey Drgn]

Originally posted by XTripleJaxX:

Originally posted by Ace The Dragon:

I didn't violate anything... asking a question is a violation against Trove's ToS? That's stupid...

by making your post you make you and your friend seem like your taking part in violating it, this obviously cant be proven but reguardless makes you both appear suspicious (even if you yourself are not doing anything wrong) to people who work with the company

basically trion worlds state that they own everything in their games, including all of your account; even the name you assigned to it
this is why i dont recommend asking if something is against the rules or not as they can do whatever they want even if they dont have proof of you doing something against the tos BUT if you appear suspicious, they could possibly just ban because "they felt like it"

the reason why your post could possibly make your friend and you appear suspicious is because you talk about your friend buying items for IRL money, which they state isint allowed

1. " by making your post you make you and your friend seem like your taking part in violating it, this obviously cant be proven but reguardless makes you both appear suspicious (even if you yourself are not doing anything wrong) to people who work with the company"

> This is a pure assumption. You have no evidence or proof AT ALL to support this statement. Plus, it doesn't make any sense.

2. "basically trion worlds state that they own everything in their games, including all of your account; even the name you assigned to it
this is why i dont recommend asking if something is against the rules or not as they can do whatever they want even if they dont have proof of you doing something against the tos BUT if you appear suspicious, they could possibly just ban because "they felt like it""

> If people banned others "just because they felt like it", the game would become a ghost town within a weekend. Asking things isn't against the rules. Again, another assumed topic you pulled out of your ass.

3. "the reason why your post could possibly make your friend and you appear suspicious is because you talk about your friend buying items for IRL money, which they state isint allowed"

> I already said that he claimed to have done a transaction with his "friend". "Appearing suspicious" isn't enough proof to make a judgement against someone. Also, if they do "state" that "it isn't allowed", where at?

[XTripleJaxX]

Originally posted by Ace The Dragon:

Originally posted by XTripleJaxX:

by making your post you make you and your friend seem like your taking part in violating it, this obviously cant be proven but reguardless makes you both appear suspicious (even if you yourself are not doing anything wrong) to people who work with the company

basically trion worlds state that they own everything in their games, including all of your account; even the name you assigned to it
this is why i dont recommend asking if something is against the rules or not as they can do whatever they want even if they dont have proof of you doing something against the tos BUT if you appear suspicious, they could possibly just ban because "they felt like it"

the reason why your post could possibly make your friend and you appear suspicious is because you talk about your friend buying items for IRL money, which they state isint allowed

1. " by making your post you make you and your friend seem like your taking part in violating it, this obviously cant be proven but reguardless makes you both appear suspicious (even if you yourself are not doing anything wrong) to people who work with the company"

> This is a pure assumption. You have no evidence or proof AT ALL to support this statement. Plus, it doesn't make any sense.

2. "basically trion worlds state that they own everything in their games, including all of your account; even the name you assigned to it
this is why i dont recommend asking if something is against the rules or not as they can do whatever they want even if they dont have proof of you doing something against the tos BUT if you appear suspicious, they could possibly just ban because "they felt like it""

> If people banned others "just because they felt like it", the game would become a ghost town within a weekend. Asking things isn't against the rules. Again, another assumed topic you pulled out of your ass.

3. "the reason why your post could possibly make your friend and you appear suspicious is because you talk about your friend buying items for IRL money, which they state isint allowed"

> I already said that he claimed to have done a transaction with his "friend". "Appearing suspicious" isn't enough proof to make a judgement against someone. Also, if they do "state" that "it isn't allowed", where at?

for your 1st point i thought i was clear with making that statement as an assumption but i guess not


for your 2nd point http://www.trionworlds.com/en/legal/terms-of-use/ on section 8 states they can do whatever they want to your account at anytime with or without reason

for your 3rd point, http://www.trionworlds.com/en/legal/terms-of-use/
section 5 & 6 states they own everything of your account, even things you submit to them

[Acey Drgn]

Originally posted by XTripleJaxX:

Originally posted by Ace The Dragon:

1. " by making your post you make you and your friend seem like your taking part in violating it, this obviously cant be proven but reguardless makes you both appear suspicious (even if you yourself are not doing anything wrong) to people who work with the company"

> This is a pure assumption. You have no evidence or proof AT ALL to support this statement. Plus, it doesn't make any sense.

2. "basically trion worlds state that they own everything in their games, including all of your account; even the name you assigned to it
this is why i dont recommend asking if something is against the rules or not as they can do whatever they want even if they dont have proof of you doing something against the tos BUT if you appear suspicious, they could possibly just ban because "they felt like it""

> If people banned others "just because they felt like it", the game would become a ghost town within a weekend. Asking things isn't against the rules. Again, another assumed topic you pulled out of your ass.

3. "the reason why your post could possibly make your friend and you appear suspicious is because you talk about your friend buying items for IRL money, which they state isint allowed"

> I already said that he claimed to have done a transaction with his "friend". "Appearing suspicious" isn't enough proof to make a judgement against someone. Also, if they do "state" that "it isn't allowed", where at?

for your 1st point i thought i was clear with making that statement as an assumption but i guess not


for your 2nd point http://www.trionworlds.com/en/legal/terms-of-use/ on section 8 states they can do whatever they want to your account at anytime with or without reason

for your 3rd point, http://www.trionworlds.com/en/legal/terms-of-use/
section 5 & 6 states they own everything of your account, even things you submit to them

Dude, I don't give a flying monkey's buttocs about Trion owning my account. I'm well aware as to my rights to a Trion and Trove account and they have every right to do what they want with it.

That isn't the point. You're completely off topic.

This has NOTHING to do with ownership of an account or the agreements of. In case you forgot, the topic is about trading in-game items with real money. Not about account rights. Stay on topic.

[XTripleJaxX]

Originally posted by Ace The Dragon:

Originally posted by XTripleJaxX:

for your 1st point i thought i was clear with making that statement as an assumption but i guess not


for your 2nd point http://www.trionworlds.com/en/legal/terms-of-use/ on section 8 states they can do whatever they want to your account at anytime with or without reason

for your 3rd point, http://www.trionworlds.com/en/legal/terms-of-use/
section 5 & 6 states they own everything of your account, even things you submit to them

Dude, I don't give a flying monkey's buttocs about Trion owning my account. I'm well aware as to my rights to a Trion and Trove account and they have every right to do what they want with it.

That isn't the point. You're completely off topic.

This has NOTHING to do with ownership of an account or the agreements of. In case you forgot, the topic is about trading in-game items with real money. Not about account rights. Stay on topic.

so i answered your questions in regards to concerns about you and your friend, and your telling me im off topic?


trion owns everything in their game, in that statement that means they own all the "items" in their game aswell; selling them to another user, or buying from someone with IRL money means trying to buy/sell their rights to the property which is not allowed to whomever may be doing it
i thought i was clear with that giving you the TOS links

im not going to help you, your friend, or your concern with "trading items" anymore then as i find that disrespectful

[Acey Drgn]

Originally posted by XTripleJaxX:

Originally posted by Ace The Dragon:

Dude, I don't give a flying monkey's buttocs about Trion owning my account. I'm well aware as to my rights to a Trion and Trove account and they have every right to do what they want with it.

That isn't the point. You're completely off topic.

This has NOTHING to do with ownership of an account or the agreements of. In case you forgot, the topic is about trading in-game items with real money. Not about account rights. Stay on topic.

so i answered your questions in regards to concerns about you and your friend, and your telling me im off topic?

im not going to help you or your friend with the matter anymore then as i find that disrespectful

As I said before... This thread has nothing to do with account rights or ownership, it's about trading with real money. And NO, you didn't answer anything about what I was asking. You didn't read my main post at all, you're assuming like crazy, and you're talking about something thats not even related to what I was asking.

So, yes. You are off topic. You're not helping. And honestly, it'd probably be best if you did leave, because you're making a fool of yourself here. So please, be gone. Thank you.

[Alanthier]

Originally posted by XTripleJaxX:

Originally posted by Ace The Dragon:

Dude, I don't give a flying monkey's buttocs about Trion owning my account. I'm well aware as to my rights to a Trion and Trove account and they have every right to do what they want with it.

That isn't the point. You're completely off topic.

This has NOTHING to do with ownership of an account or the agreements of. In case you forgot, the topic is about trading in-game items with real money. Not about account rights. Stay on topic.

so i answered your questions in regards to concerns about you and your friend, and your telling me im off topic?

im not going to help you, your friend, or your concern with trading items anymore then as i find that disrespectful

TripleJax, do us a favor. Stfu. You honestly don't know what you're saying and you have made it quite obvious with your rather incoherent replies. You're obviously nothing more than a ranting child who has gotten caught doing RWT before and now want to take it out on others who merely ask about it and if it is against TOS policies or not.

[Big Ol' Wolf]

Originally posted by XTripleJaxX:

Originally posted by Ace The Dragon:

Dude, I don't give a flying monkey's buttocs about Trion owning my account. I'm well aware as to my rights to a Trion and Trove account and they have every right to do what they want with it.

That isn't the point. You're completely off topic.

This has NOTHING to do with ownership of an account or the agreements of. In case you forgot, the topic is about trading in-game items with real money. Not about account rights. Stay on topic.

so i answered your questions in regards to concerns about you and your friend, and your telling me im off topic?


trion owns everything in their game, in that statement that means they own all the "items" in their game aswell; selling them to another user, or buying from someone with IRL money means trying to buy/sell their rights to the property which is not allowed to whomever may be doing it
i thought i was clear with that giving you the TOS links

im not going to help you, your friend, or your concern with "trading items" anymore then as i find that disrespectful

Seriously man just screw off, you're making a big deal out of nothing and trying to argue over something you're wrong about is just making you seem even more foolish than you already are. Just leave Ace alone now and go bother somebody else.

[{RW}ForeverCakeSlayer]

Originally posted by XTripleJaxX:

Originally posted by Ace The Dragon:

Dude, I don't give a flying monkey's buttocs about Trion owning my account. I'm well aware as to my rights to a Trion and Trove account and they have every right to do what they want with it.

That isn't the point. You're completely off topic.

This has NOTHING to do with ownership of an account or the agreements of. In case you forgot, the topic is about trading in-game items with real money. Not about account rights. Stay on topic.

so i answered your questions in regards to concerns about you and your friend, and your telling me im off topic?


trion owns everything in their game, in that statement that means they own all the "items" in their game aswell; selling them to another user, or buying from someone with IRL money means trying to buy/sell their rights to the property which is not allowed to whomever may be doing it
i thought i was clear with that giving you the TOS links

im not going to help you, your friend, or your concern with "trading items" anymore then as i find that disrespectful

Dude, what's your problem?

[Acey Drgn]

Originally posted by Hinsonator:

Originally posted by Ace The Dragon:

A friend of mine on Trove claims to have been buying chaos chests from another user for actual IRL money. He claims it's totally fine and the "Terms of Service" don't mention anything against this... however, the TOS is written in such a complex way, it's a bit hard to tell if it's saying one thing or another. I tried to read it but, I got a migrane soon after.

So, I'll ask here. Buying items (no, not CODES) with IRL money... wrong or not?

No offense but this seems like a no brainer, almost like trading in-game items for Steam cards or games.

VALVe does it with CS:GO and TF2, so..... Might as well ask.

[Acey Drgn]

Originally posted by Hinsonator:

Originally posted by Ace The Dragon:

VALVe does it with CS:GO and TF2, so..... Might as well ask.

That's different, you're buying an ingame item via a microtransaction, you're doing the same thing in a chaos chest if you buy it through the store, although it isn't against the rules for trading a chest for an in-game item such as flux or ore.
It's also against the TOS to trade a TF2/CS:GO item for a game, going back to my point about cards though, i'm not so sure about them and could someone to conferm that? Call me lazy, but i can't be bothered looking through the Steam ToS in relation to this.

You're completely off topic. Sorry mate.

[Emerald Kithkin]

Section 2.D of the Terms of Service, Additional Liscense Limitations:

You agree that you will not, under any circumstances: "reproduce, sell, use as an investment vehicle, trade, transfer outside of the Game(s) or otherwise misuse Game-related Virtual Items or in-Game resources that may be offered in connection with any Game(s);"

You are agreeing that you will not sell or trade in-game currency or items for real world money or other treadeable resources outside of the game.

Violation of these terms that have been touched upon lightly include but are not limited to the removal of items/currency from your account up to the total removal of your account and your own access to the game and other Trion services dependant on the level of violation and possible repeated offenses.

In much simpler terms; If you're ever unsure if something is allowed, then it most likely isn't.

[Emerald Kithkin]

Originally posted by Hinsonator:

Thank you for coferming this in the ToS, like i said though if you think about it. The kind of question the OP is asking is pretty much a no brainer.

For most, I would hope to think so, though there will always be those who need further explanation. Whether they're new to gaming in general, or they've never bothered to read the ToS until being banned from several communities, or what have you.

I also notice that the OP specifically said "no codes", though the quoted section also covers item codes, as they are an associated part of the game meant only for the person given the code.