4TH DOOR SPOILER: White Haired Girl sentence

[Neve Valkoinen]

Hi guys. I would like to focus your attention on a sentence I read today while translating Fata Morgana. In the fourth door, during the final revelation (the "reclaim yourself" scene) the Maid tells to the protagonist that she is the witch, Morgana, and that he is the White Haired Girl. After the choice in which we decide that there is more to do, the narrator (who later turns out to be Michel) ponder about the whole situation, and says:
"Something seemed off.
Not only with the story she had just told.
With her. And with You, Yourself.
Assuming everything she had said was the truth..."

*flashback where Michel says to Giselle from 5th door that HE is the witch*

"...That’s right.
It wasn’t the White-Haired Girl who had claimed to be the witch."

and now i wonder:
What does WHG have to do with Michel's statement during the flashback? How can this statement contradict the story of Maid? No one ever said that the WHG was the witch, there was no need to contradict THAT theory, since it had not been expressed at all. It would have made more sense if he had said: "It wasn’t the MAID who had claimed to be the witch", since we are talking about THE MAID.

seriously, I can't solve this headache, and I've been thinking about it all day.
it would seem absurd to me that it was badly written from the beginning (moreover, I have verified and in Japanese it still says "white haired girl", not Maid).

What do you think about it? what is the meaning of that scene?

[Neve Valkoinen]

maybe it could means that since he already regained his memory about the real Giselle (and Giselle IS the Maid) it's impossible for her to be Morgana?
but in that case what was the point of remarking that it was Michel who proclaimed to be the witch?

[Cute Tea Goat]

The memory Michel has of the events contradict the story of the 4th door, where the WHG claims to have been persecuted as a witch.

[mushrooms4free]

I think they mention the WHG because if I remember correctly, in the Maid's story Michel gets resurrected as the WHG. So maybe it's just another way to adress Michel before we get to know who he is.

[Neve Valkoinen]

Originally posted by Sacrificial Toast:

The memory Michel has of the events contradict the story of the 4th door, where the WHG claims to have been persecuted as a witch.

Damn, you are right. I was only considering that flashback for Michel's sentence, not for Giselle's. She should be the WHG, based on Maid's tale. Instead she didn't say "i am the witch", but "the witch doesn't exists".
Thanks bro! I'm finally free :D

In any case... it IS a bit confusing how it is written, tho
because who is reading is automaticly focused on Michel's sentence. Since he talks about "proclaiming to be the witch"-stuff alongside Michel's proclaiming HE is the witch"

[Neve Valkoinen]

Actually!
i continue to thinking about it, what Sacrifical Toast said it could be true, but if we take it for sure, then, WHY the sentence is "It wasn’t the White-Haired Girl who had claimed to be the witch" (focusing the attention on WHO proclaimed to be the witch) instead of "The White-Haired Girl never proclaimed to be the witch" (focusing the attention to the difference between Giselle from 4th door and the "ghost" from the flashback of the 5th door)?

[Rachito]

As a players, we thought Michel was the witch (or had a curse making him a witch at least), he even said it (as a lie) to the villagers. We thought WHG (thanks to Giselle) was Michel, therefore we thought WHG was the witch.

[Neve Valkoinen]

Originally posted by Rachito:

As a players, we thought Michel was the witch (or had a curse making him a witch at least), he even said it (as a lie) to the villagers. We thought WHG (thanks to Giselle) was Michel, therefore we thought WHG was the witch.

We didn't thought that WHG was Michel, since that is something that is revealed AFTER the 4th door (as well for Michel telling to the villagers). In fact, in 4th door we see Michel and WHG as two different person :\

[Rachito]

Originally posted by Neve Valkoinen:

Originally posted by Rachito:

As a players, we thought Michel was the witch (or had a curse making him a witch at least), he even said it (as a lie) to the villagers. We thought WHG (thanks to Giselle) was Michel, therefore we thought WHG was the witch.

We didn't thought that WHG was Michel, since that is something that is revealed AFTER the 4th door (as well for Michel telling to the villagers). In fact, in 4th door we see Michel and WHG as two different person :\

*flashback where Michel says to Giselle from 5th door that HE is the witch*

"...That’s right.
It wasn’t the White-Haired Girl who had claimed to be the witch."
We thought WHG was Michel until the 3rd door (when i said Michel i was talking about the silent protagonist who awake at the beggining), then we saw 4 door and Michel said he was the witch therefore WHG was the witch, i know we saw Michel and WHG together in door 4 but we knew something was not right (or at least me) and the revelation in fact show us that, either way, it doesn´t matter, what im saying is, The Maid couldn´t remember the events well, she thought Michel/WHG were the same person (it was pretty obvious, but if you watch the prologue after fnish the game is even more obvious) and that person said he/she was the witch and Michel knew she was confused about who was who in that story.

[Neve Valkoinen]

Originally posted by Rachito:

We thought WHG was Michel until the 3rd door.

how can you say this, if it is said only at the end of the 4th door? we do NOT know that WHG was Michel O.o
we have this knowledge just because Maid says this to us/Michel, but even so, this knowledge will be discarted after 5 minutes later, when Michel will reclaim his self.
So the rest of the argument is invalid :\

[Rachito]

Originally posted by Neve Valkoinen:

Originally posted by Rachito:

We thought WHG was Michel until the 3rd door.

how can you say this, if it is said only at the end of the 4th door? we do NOT know that WHG was Michel O.o
we have this knowledge just because Maid says this to us/Michel, but even so, this knowledge will be discarted after 5 minutes later, when Michel will reclaim his self.
So the rest of the argument is invalid :\

I KNOW it was said at door 4 BUT the game was trying we think WHG was the protagonist until door 3. Ok, look, The Maid was showing the doors to the protagonist so he/she can remember who he/she was and only 2 characters were at all doors: the maid and whg, so the protagonist only could be WHG (at that point), there is even more: The Maid was question her about if she (WHG) remember her (or something like that) so was pretty obvious until door 3 that WHG was the silent protagonist (aka Michel) and the maid knew WHG before and she wanted the protagonist remember her. The only other option was that the protagonist was the witch (or both, WHG and the witch) BUT we didn´t know the witch was real at that point.
Ok, i¨m using "we" because until door 3 WHG and Michel being the same person was a common theory used by fans, if you didn´t think that way for any reason, it´s ok.

[Neve Valkoinen]

Originally posted by Rachito:

Originally posted by Neve Valkoinen:

how can you say this, if it is said only at the end of the 4th door? we do NOT know that WHG was Michel O.o
we have this knowledge just because Maid says this to us/Michel, but even so, this knowledge will be discarted after 5 minutes later, when Michel will reclaim his self.
So the rest of the argument is invalid :\

I KNOW it was said at door 4 BUT the game was trying we think WHG was the protagonist until door 3. Ok, look, The Maid was showing the doors to the protagonist so he/she can remember who he/she was and only 2 characters were at all doors: the maid and whg, so the protagonist only could be WHG (at that point), there is even more: The Maid was question her about if she (WHG) remember her (or something like that) so was pretty obvious until door 3 that WHG was the silent protagonist (aka Michel) and the maid knew WHG before and she wanted the protagonist remember her. The only other option was that the protagonist was the witch (or both, WHG and the witch) BUT we didn´t know the witch was real at that point.
Ok, i¨m using "we" because until door 3 WHG and Michel being the same person was a common theory used by fans, if you didn´t think that way for any reason, it´s ok.

ok, now i got your point. But that sentence from the Departed, "It wasn’t the White-Haired Girl who had claimed to be the witch", what it have to do with this Michel/WHG stuff? even if he is referring to him self as the WHG, Michel and whg both claimed to be the witch XD Michel in his memories from the mirror, and WHG directly in the 4th door.

I suppose the one that get closer to the truth is Sacrificial Toast, above in the comments: he said that the WHG that Michel remembers from his memories from the mirror (that later we know is the real Giselle) never claimed to be the witch (memories from the 5th door). That is the only thing right now that makes sense.
The only doubt now is about WHY the Departed said (and i'll copy-paste):
"It wasn’t the White-Haired Girl who had claimed to be the witch" (focusing the attention on WHO proclaimed to be the witch) instead of "The White-Haired Girl never proclaimed to be the witch
(focusing the attention to the difference between Giselle from 4th door and the "ghost" from the flashback of the 5th door).

[Rachito]

Originally posted by Neve Valkoinen:

Originally posted by Rachito:

I KNOW it was said at door 4 BUT the game was trying we think WHG was the protagonist until door 3. Ok, look, The Maid was showing the doors to the protagonist so he/she can remember who he/she was and only 2 characters were at all doors: the maid and whg, so the protagonist only could be WHG (at that point), there is even more: The Maid was question her about if she (WHG) remember her (or something like that) so was pretty obvious until door 3 that WHG was the silent protagonist (aka Michel) and the maid knew WHG before and she wanted the protagonist remember her. The only other option was that the protagonist was the witch (or both, WHG and the witch) BUT we didn´t know the witch was real at that point.
Ok, i¨m using "we" because until door 3 WHG and Michel being the same person was a common theory used by fans, if you didn´t think that way for any reason, it´s ok.

ok, now i got your point. But that sentence from the Departed, "It wasn’t the White-Haired Girl who had claimed to be the witch", what it have to do with this Michel/WHG stuff? even if he is referring to him self as the WHG, Michel and whg both claimed to be the witch XD Michel in his memories from the mirror, and WHG directly in the 4th door.

I suppose the one that get closer to the truth is Sacrificial Toast, above in the comments: he said that the WHG that Michel remembers from his memories from the mirror (that later we know is the real Giselle) never claimed to be the witch (memories from the 5th door). That is the only thing right now that makes sense.
The only doubt now is about WHY the Departed said (and i'll copy-paste):
"It wasn’t the White-Haired Girl who had claimed to be the witch" (focusing the attention on WHO proclaimed to be the witch) instead of "The White-Haired Girl never proclaimed to be the witch
(focusing the attention to the difference between Giselle from 4th door and the "ghost" from the flashback of the 5th door).

I suppose Michel was thinking he should clarify Giselle`s confusion (specially after hear the 4th door story), making it clear he was not the whg and he was the one saying to her that he is the witch in that story (door 4). I don't think it matters much who said first who was the witch, Novectacle could make a mistake with the tempo but the point was Michel got her memories back and was fixing the misunderstanding.

[Neve Valkoinen]

i'm a complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥, lol.
i have just read again the 4th door from the beginning, and the WHG says "i am accused of being a witch", so... that's why Michel says "it wasn't her to have claimed it", epicfail lol.