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Nocturnal Supremacy has Call to Arms

Jul 31, 2015 @ 8:09am

Some of them do, go into the editor and check the infantry :)

#1

Ted

Jul 31, 2015 @ 8:39am

thanks - but it is a quite basic equipment, so IMO every unit should have it.

#2

PlagueFerret has Call to Arms

Jul 31, 2015 @ 9:08am

well ted, hate to break the bad news to ya, but squad leaders and team leaders are really the only ones who ever carry smoke. were already carrying around 90-100+ lbs of gear (atleast when i was an infantrymen) you cant pack everybody down, if that were the case everybody would get a few frags (5 lbs a piece) a few incendiary (2 1/2 lbs or so a piece) a few smokes (2 1/2 lb or so a piece) your weapon, ammo, nods (thats night vision for you civies), water, food if its going to be a long one, body armor (iba, iotv, plate carrier), ach/kpot, ammo for the mg's, if you have a mortar team, then ruck with ammo for them, if your a team leader/squad, you get a radio if your super awesome you can be the PL/PSG radioman and carry around a big ol'turd of a radio along with all that crap.. the list goes on...so why give each man smoke?

end note, its also a supply thing, your company may only get 20 smokes so they divy it out to needs..

Last edited by PlagueFerret; Jul 31, 2015 @ 9:11am

#3

Osseon

Jul 31, 2015 @ 9:19am

What the hell kind of frag frenades weigh 5 pounds? Most are under 1lb.

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PlagueFerret has Call to Arms

Jul 31, 2015 @ 9:23am

Originally posted by Osseon:
What the hell kind of frag frenades weigh 5 pounds? Most are under 1lb.

Haha no bud sorry, this is not call of duty.. .they weigh 5 lbs ive thrown a few hundred in my ten years as a combat infantrymen and three deployments...my weight may not be spot on but its definitely not a pound, if it were we could throw them like a baseball a hundred meters, in reality you have to pretty much shot put them (though im a fan of the side arm myself) and they usually only go about 20-30 meters.

Last edited by PlagueFerret; Jul 31, 2015 @ 9:32am

#5

Osseon

Jul 31, 2015 @ 9:41am

From Google:

"14 oz
The M67 grenade has a spherical steel body that contains 6.5 oz (180 g) of composition B explosive. It uses the M213 pyrotechnic delay fuze. The M67 grenade weighs 14 oz (400 g) in total and has a safety clip to prevent the safety pin on the grenade from being pulled accidentally."

14oz is 0.8ish lb

Never said it was Call of duty, hate that ♥♥♥♥, but I am big on realism and military, the only greades I've heard that were 5lbs are anti tank grenades.

#6

PlagueFerret has Call to Arms

Jul 31, 2015 @ 9:42am

Im well aware of what wikipedia (pseudoscience) says, and im telling you its not true. If you dont believe me go find some other vets and ask them, its not a pound. On another note, it also says that it has a delay of 5 seconds, which is not true as well its 'around' 5 seconds as they put it to us, sometimes its a little before sometimes its a bit after hence you only cook it for no more than 3. Your quote came from wikipedia, which by the way is the same site that said steven colbert saved the whales..

My weight may be off but its no way a pound unless ive just lost my fkin mind.

Last edited by PlagueFerret; Jul 31, 2015 @ 9:54am

#7

Ted

Jul 31, 2015 @ 9:43am

Head just posted this hotfix for the smoke hotkey http://steamcommunity.com/app/302670/discussions/0/541907675763159660/ - know it works for me...

Last edited by Ted; Jul 31, 2015 @ 9:43am

#8

Osseon

Jul 31, 2015 @ 9:59am

Originally posted by PlagueFerret:
Im well aware of what wikipedia (pseudoscience) says, and im telling you its not true. If you dont believe me go find some other vets and ask them, its not a pound.

Pseudoscience? You do you realize that Wikipedia uses real sources right and not some teenager typing out random facts?

Here is the Army ammunition data sheet for grenades.
http://archive.org/stream/milmanual-tm-43-0001-29-army-ammunition-data-sheets-for-grenades/tm-43-0001-29_army_ammunition_data_sheets_for_grenades_djvu.txt

Here is a video of someone throwing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_vWgfg5OD8

Looks to me that they are incredibly light considering how this man tossed it without even a wind up, just a quick flick.

Considering most quarter backs throw an aerodynamic ball only up to 60-70 yards top and practice day in and day out, 30 meters for a hand grenade sounds just about right to me.

Also its funny you just dismiss my claim with anecdotal evidence and call my information pseudoscience, when in turn you are doing the same. Where is your proof that you served and threw hundreds of them?

Last edited by Osseon; Jul 31, 2015 @ 10:05am

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Alexandria38 has Call to Arms

Jul 31, 2015 @ 10:03am

Ted, if you look in the inventory of each soldier, most, if not all U.S. Soldiers have smoke grenades, and anything above conscripts on the GRM have smoke grenades. The hotbar selection to throw a smoke grenade just doesnt work. Double click the smoke grenade in inventory then direct control them for a second to throw it.

#10

Ted

Jul 31, 2015 @ 10:04am

thanks! using the fix, smoke grenades now also show up in the hotbar!

#11

lickitysplit has Call to Arms

Jul 31, 2015 @ 10:09am

Originally posted by Osseon:
Originally posted by PlagueFerret:
Im well aware of what wikipedia (pseudoscience) says, and im telling you its not true. If you dont believe me go find some other vets and ask them, its not a pound.

Pseudoscience? You do you realize that Wikipedia uses real sources right and not some teenager typing out random facts?

Just gotta say, nobody can trust Wikipedia. It is a random teenager most of the time. They may reference the right articles, but often times they're outdated, not mainstream ideas, or are complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

#12

Osseon

Jul 31, 2015 @ 10:14am

Originally posted by jahng-goon:
Originally posted by Osseon:

Pseudoscience? You do you realize that Wikipedia uses real sources right and not some teenager typing out random facts?

Just gotta say, nobody can trust Wikipedia. It is a random teenager most of the time. They may reference the right articles, but often times they're outdated, not mainstream ideas, or are complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

There have been journal studies proving it more accurate than other encyclopedias and they have moderators and other fact checking tools to keep it up to date and accurate. You can trust wikipedia more than any single person on the internet that has no way to prevent them from lying. The term pseudoscience is grossly misused here anyways. How many sources do you want for the weight of the M67? I'll find them all, and they'll all be the same. 14oz.

Last edited by Osseon; Jul 31, 2015 @ 10:14am

#13

PlagueFerret has Call to Arms

Jul 31, 2015 @ 10:15am

Originally posted by Osseon:
Originally posted by PlagueFerret:
Im well aware of what wikipedia (pseudoscience) says, and im telling you its not true. If you dont believe me go find some other vets and ask them, its not a pound.

Pseudoscience? You do you realize that Wikipedia uses real sources right and not some teenager typing out random facts?

Here is the Army ammunition data sheet for grenades.
http://archive.org/stream/milmanual-tm-43-0001-29-army-ammunition-data-sheets-for-grenades/tm-43-0001-29_army_ammunition_data_sheets_for_grenades_djvu.txt

Here is a video of someone throwing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_vWgfg5OD8

Looks to me that they are incredibly light considering how this man tossed it without even a wind up, just a quick flick.

Considering most quarter backs throw an aerodynamic ball only up to 60-70 yards top and practice day in and day out, 30 meters for a hand grenade sounds just about right to me.

Also its funny you just dismiss my claim with anecdotal evidence and call my information pseudoscience, when in turn you are doing the same. Where is your proof that you served and threw hundreds of them?

Were is my proof? Ive done it in real life. I have a DD214 with my military service and deployment information, i have to do it about every year for EIB, ♥♥♥♥♥ and giggles and because thats what the infantry do for a living train train train,pt, train train train, pt. Im not saying my weight is 100% correct but it is not a pound. That i am 100% sure of.

#14

PlagueFerret has Call to Arms

Jul 31, 2015 @ 10:19am

Originally posted by Osseon:
Originally posted by jahng-goon:

Just gotta say, nobody can trust Wikipedia. It is a random teenager most of the time. They may reference the right articles, but often times they're outdated, not mainstream ideas, or are complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

There have been journal studies proving it more accurate than other encyclopedias and they have moderators and other fact checking tools to keep it up to date and accurate. You can trust wikipedia more than any single person on the internet that has no way to prevent them from lying. The term pseudoscience is grossly misused here anyways. How many sources do you want for the weight of the M67? I'll find them all, and they'll all be the same. 14oz.

Wikepedia also says the ammunition that we use for our rifles is a certain grain, and i can tell you without a doubt 100% that it is not true because the grain weight varies and is not consistant, thats why marksmen in the army use a certain type of ammunition that is weighted to a precise weight, but wikepedia says its true so it must be right?

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