tank balence

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all i got to say is why are all the russians tanks boarderline impossilbe to kill from the front in this game? like why? i was trying to kill this T-72 and i shot it like 40 times at a distance of about 20m to the front, side, turret and the side of the turret and NOTHING it then one shotted me, the only reason i managed to hit it so many times was because it was distracted by another vehical! i was in an abrams TUSK that had more than enough firepower to turn a T-72 into glass!
dont pull the OH ITS JUST TO BALENCE THE TEAMS card because that isnt balence its BS

[A.D]

I thing this game has some bugs, yesterday my M1A2's frontal armor was directly facing a T72B3, the enemy tank destroyed my engine which blew my whole tank like if my tank didn't had armor at all. How was the round able to skip my frontal armor and hull and reach my engine is a mystery i'll never solve.

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Originally posted by tomasoltis:

abrams engine block is higher than the hull and the turret ring, this is why on a slight slope your engine gets exposed.

i was pretty level to that T-72...in fact i was slightly above it!

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Originally posted by ASD:

I thing this game has some bugs, yesterday my M1A2's frontal armor was directly facing a T72B3, the enemy tank destroyed my engine which blew my whole tank like if my tank didn't had armor at all. How was the round able to skip my frontal armor and hull and reach my engine is a mystery i'll never solve.

im pretty sure its not a bug. it happened way to many times afterwards. i think the war thunder devs made the russian tanks OP as sh*t because they are russian themselves...i dont know if thats funny or just plain sad

[Romich]

Engine is huge on it, it is easy to shoot even from the front, at least abrams isnt as bad with new armor system, previously you just could oneshot it to the front from any range with any atgm, while it couldnt (and still cant afaik) pen cheaper t80us to the hull, from the front at 50-100m.

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Originally posted by Romich:

Engine is huge on it, it is easy to shoot even from the front, at least abrams isnt as bad with new armor system, previously you just could oneshot it to the front from any range with any atgm, while it couldnt (and still cant afaik) pen cheaper t80us to the hull, from the front at 50-100m.

i guess so but the russian armour is way to OP. i fired 3 ATGMs into a tank and it did nothing! russian bias main enemy is HESH rounds!

[A.D]

Soviet/russian tanks always had better armor compared to nato tanks, the only nato tank that might have much armor is the challenger 2.

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Originally posted by ASD:

Soviet/russian tanks always had better armor compared to nato tanks, the only nato tank that might have much armor is the challenger 2.

yeah like back in the 40s-70s not these days

[A.D]

Originally posted by dimullaney5:

Originally posted by ASD:

Soviet/russian tanks always had better armor compared to nato tanks, the only nato tank that might have much armor is the challenger 2.

yeah like back in the 40s-70s not these days

Both russians and nato haven't created completely new tanks since 70s, they only upgrade existing current ones. Except the t14 which hasn't seen serious service yet.

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Originally posted by ASD:

Originally posted by dimullaney5:

yeah like back in the 40s-70s not these days

Both russians and nato haven't created completely new tanks since 70s, they only upgrade existing current ones. Except the t14 which hasn't seen serious service yet.

look lets get back on track here. russian tanks arnt invincible and american tanks arnt that bad as they are in the game

[Romich]

Originally posted by tomasoltis:

Originally posted by dimullaney5:

look lets get back on track here. russian tanks arnt invincible and american tanks arnt that bad as they are in the game

Most people taught by u.s. propaganda would have people believe that murrican tanks are outright indestructible, but russian designs vice versa.

anyway, hesh rounds are to my understanding good only against single-plate armor, that extends to light vehicles and T-62. Eastern tanks are deliberately missing HEAT rounds, low tier tanks that is. So, if you understand, at very long range, in most fights, APFSDS is useless. Tanks, like T-72B1,BM, T-62 do not have HEAT rounds and lack thermals too. Weak gun sabot rounds at very long range are good only at clean angles for floanking shots.

penetration-wise T-62 ap rounds are the same as stryker mgs, M60. But M60 has that HEAT, as well as the striker does too.

T-80U ... reflex missile has some 750 or 850 penetration now so unless you hit some weakspot, non-sloped armor, it wont do much. Abrams has 1400 pen at close range.It might be able to knock out the gun if you hit it though.

The only thing you want a T-80BV over say a T-72B1 is HEAT ammo and that NSVT.

T-72B3 tank has the same gun as the newer T-90, 2A46M-5-1 or something it is called - much higher pressure for the gun to withstand so officially it is close to 120 mm L44 rheinmetall thingy. There was also problem with autoloader, that didnt foresee long rod penetrators so it is a general uprade. T-72B3 does have thermals though.

Considering that tank guns have penetration in excess of 1 meter, armor numbers flying similarly then tends to be natural for a lack of proper armor build in the game. TOW-2 has magically penetration of 1500, kornet also ? (RL kornet is supposedly penning better at 1200-1300 vs TOW-2 that is like 800-900)

Hellfire and eurcopter tiger 2 meters of penetration. Not realistic, while keeping ataka, vichr missiles at 1k in penetration, making a need of 2 missiles to the engine regardless of angle to the engine of an abrams
one could argue, but javelin. I would be in favor of it. Nothing is too op if there are ways to counter, weaken systems.

T80u has 1000 pen atgm, but with new hp system on tanks you cant oneshot abrams to the front like you could with old one, unless you aim at engine which is sticking out and the tank itself is still cheap compared to other top tier tanks.
Other low tier tanks are kinda pointless to buy, even with new hp system that reduces oneshots (especially from rpgs).

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Originally posted by tomasoltis:

Originally posted by dimullaney5:

look lets get back on track here. russian tanks arnt invincible and american tanks arnt that bad as they are in the game

Most people taught by u.s. propaganda would have people believe that murrican tanks are outright indestructible, but russian designs vice versa.

anyway, hesh rounds are to my understanding good only against single-plate armor, that extends to light vehicles and T-62. Eastern tanks are deliberately missing HEAT rounds, low tier tanks that is. So, if you understand, at very long range, in most fights, APFSDS is useless. Tanks, like T-72B1,BM, T-62 do not have HEAT rounds and lack thermals too. Weak gun sabot rounds at very long range are good only at clean angles for floanking shots.

penetration-wise T-62 ap rounds are the same as stryker mgs, M60. But M60 has that HEAT, as well as the striker does too.

T-80U ... reflex missile has some 750 or 850 penetration now so unless you hit some weakspot, non-sloped armor, it wont do much. Abrams has 1400 pen at close range.It might be able to knock out the gun if you hit it though.

The only thing you want a T-80BV over say a T-72B1 is HEAT ammo and that NSVT.

T-72B3 tank has the same gun as the newer T-90, 2A46M-5-1 or something it is called - much higher pressure for the gun to withstand so officially it is close to 120 mm L44 rheinmetall thingy. There was also problem with autoloader, that didnt foresee long rod penetrators so it is a general uprade. T-72B3 does have thermals though.

Considering that tank guns have penetration in excess of 1 meter, armor numbers flying similarly then tends to be natural for a lack of proper armor build in the game. TOW-2 has magically penetration of 1500, kornet also ? (RL kornet is supposedly penning better at 1200-1300 vs TOW-2 that is like 800-900)

Hellfire and eurcopter tiger 2 meters of penetration. Not realistic, while keeping ataka, vichr missiles at 1k in penetration, making a need of 2 missiles to the engine regardless of angle to the engine of an abrams
one could argue, but javelin. I would be in favor of it. Nothing is too op if there are ways to counter, weaken systems.

US PROPOGANDA?! oh god kill me now. the only abrams tanks that where destroyed in 1991 where from friendly fire and well the abrams has like depleted urainium in its armour or something like that a 125mm shell wont do sh*t. the only abrams getting destroyed are Iraqi ones and the Iraqis are useless with their abrams tanks

[ZEFFEZ]

I shot a russian tank with 4 hellfires and it didnt do anything. I don't get it either. I have also slogged a tank with 30-40 Tow missiles just to test how much it would take, after that I just stopped because if it can take that much any more sure wont do anything.

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Originally posted by Romich:

Originally posted by tomasoltis:

Most people taught by u.s. propaganda would have people believe that murrican tanks are outright indestructible, but russian designs vice versa.

anyway, hesh rounds are to my understanding good only against single-plate armor, that extends to light vehicles and T-62. Eastern tanks are deliberately missing HEAT rounds, low tier tanks that is. So, if you understand, at very long range, in most fights, APFSDS is useless. Tanks, like T-72B1,BM, T-62 do not have HEAT rounds and lack thermals too. Weak gun sabot rounds at very long range are good only at clean angles for floanking shots.

penetration-wise T-62 ap rounds are the same as stryker mgs, M60. But M60 has that HEAT, as well as the striker does too.

T-80U ... reflex missile has some 750 or 850 penetration now so unless you hit some weakspot, non-sloped armor, it wont do much. Abrams has 1400 pen at close range.It might be able to knock out the gun if you hit it though.

The only thing you want a T-80BV over say a T-72B1 is HEAT ammo and that NSVT.

T-72B3 tank has the same gun as the newer T-90, 2A46M-5-1 or something it is called - much higher pressure for the gun to withstand so officially it is close to 120 mm L44 rheinmetall thingy. There was also problem with autoloader, that didnt foresee long rod penetrators so it is a general uprade. T-72B3 does have thermals though.

Considering that tank guns have penetration in excess of 1 meter, armor numbers flying similarly then tends to be natural for a lack of proper armor build in the game. TOW-2 has magically penetration of 1500, kornet also ? (RL kornet is supposedly penning better at 1200-1300 vs TOW-2 that is like 800-900)

Hellfire and eurcopter tiger 2 meters of penetration. Not realistic, while keeping ataka, vichr missiles at 1k in penetration, making a need of 2 missiles to the engine regardless of angle to the engine of an abrams
one could argue, but javelin. I would be in favor of it. Nothing is too op if there are ways to counter, weaken systems.

T80u has 1000 pen atgm, but with new hp system on tanks you cant oneshot abrams to the front like you could with old one, unless you aim at engine which is sticking out and the tank itself is still cheap compared to other top tier tanks.
Other low tier tanks are kinda pointless to buy, even with new hp system that reduces oneshots (especially from rpgs).

the ATGM is capable of doing damage to an abrams in real life but thats where the trophy system comes into play

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Originally posted by ZEFFEZ:

I shot a russian tank with 4 hellfires and it didnt do anything. I don't get it either. I have also slogged a tank with 30-40 Tow missiles just to test how much it would take, after that I just stopped because if it can take that much any more sure wont do anything.

i did as well. the bradley for example has TOW missile to compensate for its lack of armour. it has the ability to blast the enemy tanks before they can do anything about it but thats useless if the ATGMs dont work

[Romich]

Originally posted by ZEFFEZ:

I shot a russian tank with 4 hellfires and it didnt do anything. I don't get it either. I have also slogged a tank with 30-40 Tow missiles just to test how much it would take, after that I just stopped because if it can take that much any more sure wont do anything.

If you did that in editor, you have to make sure they belong to different players, because friendly fire is off by default in editor.

Originally posted by dimullaney5:

Originally posted by ZEFFEZ:

I shot a russian tank with 4 hellfires and it didnt do anything. I don't get it either. I have also slogged a tank with 30-40 Tow missiles just to test how much it would take, after that I just stopped because if it can take that much any more sure wont do anything.

i did as well. the bradley for example has TOW missile to compensate for its lack of armour. it has the ability to blast the enemy tanks before they can do anything about it but thats useless if the ATGMs dont work

Not really, every vehicle has same rendering distance in direct control, so it just depends on who sees who first, afaik bradley can be oneshotted by ap round of any tank at hight ranges, prior to this new armor system, tows could oneshot t80s to the front, but that was rng dependent, now t80us hull hp take little damage from tows, making bradley even worse of a vehicle that it was before (btrt is cheaper despite having better armor and low profile coupled with small turret).