M39 EMR - What's the point?

[Broadsword]

After the changes to the damage dealt by various guns, I feel like the M39 EMR got left with multiple undesirable qualities. It seems to be treated like a battle rifle (or worse) in terms of single-shot damage, an assault rifle with its meh accuracy, and a sniper rifle with its low rate of fire for a semi-automatic weapon (???? IDK if M39's are stuck on semi-auto or can swap to full, I'll assume the former IRL).

Am I using these incorrectly, or are US Marksmen just not units with a practical point?

[SAVAGE87]

The EMR, is supposed to be for the designated marksman in a squad because hes supposed to be the better trained in marksmanship period if needed. This game is not about that so I wouldnt worry about it too much.

[DasaKamov]

In real life, the M39 is a modernized M14 to give units a marksman (but not scout-sniper) role. It has no automatic-fire ability.

US Marksmen are better used, in my experience, when overlooking wide-open areas from cover such as buildings or hidden in foilage. They have greater accuracy at range than AR-equipped squads, and can put long-distance shots down range at a greater ROF than designated sniper units. Teaming your Marksmen with Grenadiers (M203-armed soldiers) will allow them to deny any open field in their range to everything except armored vehicles.

As you pointed out, their semi-auto firerate is a liability in room-to-room or battles -- for CQC situations, you'll want US Assault Teams instead.

[Broadsword]

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In real life, the M39 is a modernized M14 to give units a marksman (but not scout-sniper) role. It has no automatic-fire ability.

I'm not sure why you're assuming I don't know that.

However, M14s can end up in a wide variety of conditions. One might have a firing selector, one might not. One might be welded to semi-auto. Etc. For example:

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/sniperrifle/images/c/c8/PrecisionEMR-1-.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100328195511

It's reasonable to assume that it's not standard, but just because I don't know (because there's varying conditions and I just showed you an M39 w/ a firing selector) doesn't mean I'm not familiar with the rifle.

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US Marksmen are better used, in my experience, when overlooking wide-open areas from cover such as buildings or hidden in foilage.

I'm not sure why you're assuming this isn't how I'm using them, either.

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They have greater accuracy at range than AR-equipped squads,

No, a number of assault rifles are actually more accurate than the M39. The M39 has a greater range, but it does not have greater accuracy. Its accuracy is very poor.

Considering the free-floating nature of the barrel of the rifle, a drastic improvement from the M14/M21 before it from the EBR body, its accuracy is nearly abysmal - if I compare things to real life.

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and can put long-distance shots down range at a greater ROF than designated sniper units.

The rate of fire advantage an M39 offers is not great, and its lack of accuracy/damage doesn't make up for the lack of rate of fire in my experience.

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Teaming your Marksmen with Grenadiers (M203-armed soldiers) will allow them to deny any open field in their range to everything except armored vehicles.

Okay, so honestly you have to ask yourself, why are you using Marksmen instead of any unit in this combination. Another grenadier team would be better. A defense team would be better. A full squad like an assault squad to capture another point, seems to be better. marksmen squads with their M16s are superior.

Why would you use Marksmen Teams over any other unit instead of this stating the obvious thing? That's what I'm after.

Początkowo opublikowane przez DasaKamov:

As you pointed out, their semi-auto firerate is a liability in room-to-room or battles -- for CQC situations, you'll want US Assault Teams instead.

???? Let me tell you the first thing I do with my marksmen is send them straight into the closest fight they can get into. /sarcasm

My 'point' was that they have low rate of fire, extremely low rate of fire, for a semi-automatic weapon, in addition to meager accuracy and damage. They just don't kill anything. They weren't particularly great before that big damage change, they were really bad right after it, and today I've seen no changes for the positive.

I just don't see why I should be units, and "generic unit tips" is not the answer I'm afraid. :(

[DasaKamov]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez DasaKamov:

In real life, the M39 is a modernized M14 to give units a marksman (but not scout-sniper) role. It has no automatic-fire ability.

I'm not sure why you're assuming I don't know that.

Because, in your OP, you explicitly stated that you didn't know whether or not M39s were capable of automatic fire or not.

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I'm not sure why you're assuming this isn't how I'm using them, either.

...I just don't see why I should be units, and "generic unit tips" is not the answer I'm afraid. :(

You didn't leave a lot of information to work with in your OP - you didn't state your tactics or positioning with them, the types of enemies or situations that give them trouble, etc. Your OP asked a general question ("How do I use Marksmen"), so I, not being telepathic, was forced to leave a generic response in kind.

[Broadsword]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Broadsword:

I'm not sure why you're assuming I don't know that.

Because, in your OP, you explicitly stated that you didn't know whether or not M39s were capable of automatic fire or not.

Yeah, because you'll on the off occasion spot the gun with a firing selector.

Just like you'll on occasion spot M14s in various formats without firing selectors, although the latter is more common.

Spotting an M39 with one is like spotting an M14 that doesn't have its firing selector hole plugged: rare, but it happens.

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Broadsword:

I'm not sure why you're assuming this isn't how I'm using them, either.

...I just don't see why I should be units, and "generic unit tips" is not the answer I'm afraid. :(

You didn't leave a lot of information to work with in your OP - you didn't state your tactics or positioning with them, the types of enemies or situations that give them trouble, etc. Your OP asked a general question ("How do I use Marksmen"), so I, not being telepathic, was forced to leave a generic response in kind.

Because I did not feel the need.

If there is a situation beyond the generic concept with which they apply, then explain it.

However, for the reasons that I've explained, it's a very poor weapon in its 'generic concept' because it lacks any desirable traits. Its rate of fire is poor, its damage is poor, and its accuracy is poor.

Either there is some strategic brilliance to them I have yet to discover, or there is little to no point to use them. You can explain the specifics in which you use them, but so far we've got "use grenadiers with them" except that boils down to "use grenadiers because they're good" and not "use grenadiers with marksmen teams because good synergy"

[RexRanger1]

I agree that the Emr sucks. Also the Ak and m4 and m16, aks, (SUBMACHINE GUNS ETC) all feel the same.

[Broadsword]

Yeah, after messing around more, I've found every semi-auto rifle performs pretty poorly. :(