No Russian BMP 3????

[Craz(Y)een]

Ok I know Russia in beta but.....why the hell there not BMP 3 for Russia I mean like 2 of the other factions get them but not Russia...wtf XD

[MrThirtyOddSix]

I think adding BMP-3 to Russia side will make them quite powerful and versatile (as it is actually in real life). So developers made a decision to use this unit as fill-in for other factions. They could have modeled different versions of BMP-3, but decided not to bother with them.

Here are different versions of BMP-3: https://www.army-technology.com/projects/bmp-3/

Modern versions are comparable to mini-tanks, in a way that they also shoot APSDS rounds, as crazy at it might sound.

[Craz(Y)een]

yea...but if u look at something the Russian get a simple BMP-2 with a single Tow missile on top of it and its 30mm......the other Factions that get the BMP-3 that has a 100mm gun that shoots HE and Tow missiles also get BMP-2 that are upgraded that has 4 Tows on them and a 30mm and a grenade launcher...... also the Russian get AT soldiers with just a RPG while the other factions that use the RPG as well also get another Russian weapon thats the RPG-29.... soo it seems the Russian get little less fire power then the other factions that use Russian weapons XD

[MrThirtyOddSix]

Oh I agree that Russian faction should get more power, since after all vast majority of vehicles in this game came from USSR under development of Russia. So Russians somehow are marginalized at this point for not having access to all vehicles or weaponry. They do get T-90 and Tigr AGS as very unique units, but they are missing medium strength unit such as BMP-3. BTR-90 and various Koncurs vehicles have very different utility, BMP-3 is jack of all trades which is nice to have.

[Craz(Y)een]

yea and its just i dont understand why its like hey BMP-3 is Russian made but we wont give the Russian the BMP-3 we will give them to the other factions and 1 Faction has both Russian and U.S military vehicles and weapons XD

[clfiskus]

Russia should have bmp3 and I wud be happy. But giving them 'everything' is detrimental to balance between all the factions, Russia already has t90, the best tank ingame, plus brdm konkurs which is the best atgm vehicle and way underpriced. Thats not mentioning all the other unique and good units they have.
However giving every faction more vehicles is good good idea, as it increases our options of play alot. Like usa uses m113 APC and m1117 armored security vehicle but it isn't present ingame. Also america has many variants of MATV, stryker,humvee which are not ingame.
So to conclude, giving russia more units is great , but also give other factions more vehicles to even things out. Im sure more vehicles=versatility in gameplay

[JDPUK]

IMO, CTA makes the BMP-2 more capable than the the 3 for some reason, crazy, though the 2 is formidable in this game, 😆

[JDPUK]

Great points, absolutely agree, if Russia had access to all of their vehicles I believe they would have been too dominant, ha. CTA should have BMPT Terminator 3 in this game, the model would look incredible.

[Egro]

Originally posted by tomasoltis:

IRL

konkurs ATGM is 135 mm vs bastion/arkan later stuck to 100 mm. Konkurs line is therefore a serious tank killer, not so with BMP-3

BMP-3 has 2A72 simplified version of 2A42, longer version achieving higher muzzle velocities, with a low rate of fire (still higher than bradleys 25mm)

BMP-2 has the ability to relatively spray with its gun when both feeds are employed..

BMP-3 ATGM being stuck with 100 mm caliber means it is not really a contender to kill a heavy tank from the front in most situations.

BMP-3 is better protected, but it is still no tank to really survive something like an atgm.

Other factions in the game are using cold war BMP 3 but that doesn't mean Russian can't have their modern variant. The BMP-3M can have a 30mm auto cannon and 2 tube of AT-9 guided missiles. Heck there are many BMP-3 Variants to go around, there is no reason to stick with IFV one.

[MrThirtyOddSix]

Russia should have standard configuration BMP-3. Other factions should have export models that are lacking either armor or ATGM capability, or even optional coaxial guns. Main point is that Russia is major faction in game, with their units being premium which would cost more. Factions that re-use export versions of tanks and carriers should be looking at variations and cost. I bet you can accomplish more with BMP-2 than BMP-3 if it is reinforced and costs less.

[Craz(Y)een]

Ok for everyone saying that Russia is OP and giving them the BMP-3 would make them even more OP then i say y'all are wrong and here's why. I have Russia face every faction in a 4 vs 4 match where i just watch and i put each team on heroic and had it where each team had to get 100 points to win.... out of 5 Factions the Russian had to face they only won 1 time and that was against the GRM they lost 4 out of 5 times soo Russia is not OP, even the Rebels beat the Russians ok and the Russian even won against the GRM with it being a close match the GRM had 92 points. And the Factions that do have the BMP-3 and the upgraded BMP-2 used those here and there while russian was using the weaker bmp-2 and other vehicles. But the point of all this was just me saying that Russia should get the BMP-3 since it is used by Russia in real life.

[starchaser]

Originally posted by tomasoltis:

(2A46M-5 was kept instead of the 2A82-1M)

No, T-90M variant (if I remember corretcly it was "Proryv-5") which is currently cleared for mass-production has longer 2A82. But you are correct that earlier prorotype varians (Proryv-1 to 3) had 2A46M-5.

[starchaser]

Originally posted by tomasoltis:

you can search it up on the net, that neither T-90M nor T-72B variants wont be getting the armata gun anytime soon unless there is a change in the autoloaders. Russian media like 2-3 years ago were saying that it will get it, but it didnt come to fruit.

Why ? Because the Vakuum-1 or so, the new sabot round is 900 mm long. And the current versions of the gun+ autoloader would require some 80 mm cutouts in the tank hulls, previous sabots were 74cm + 16 cm=90cm.
So, unless there is a more serious autoloader redesign, or use of two autoloaders, with different ammo storage the longer gun isnt getting fixed in either T-90M or future upgrades of T-72B past B3.

You should look for the more updated info, from 2019, when final version of T-90M (which was accepted into service) was unveiled - you can visually see a longer gun compared to T-90A. I think the new gun was incorporated since 3rd or 4th prototype and announced back in 2017.

Here is the offical press-release (in russian, with photos) hignligting the main features of the final variant:

https://ria.ru/20191004/1559407513.html

[JDPUK]

Hey guys regardless of all this, CTA needs the Terminator!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJGrEMsN0PU

[starchaser]

Also, the Russian army should get T-72B3 as it's basic tank because:
1)Its current in-game basic tank (T-72B, 1989 variant) was always pretty rare due to the short production run. Maybe it should be transferred to GRM.
2)Almost all T-72B tanks (1985 var, which was the main Russian tank until the introduction of T-72B3)in the active units already upgraded to the T-72B3 variant.

And as a mid-tier tank, they should get T-72B3M (another name: T-72B3, 2016 version), with new ERA & sideskirts from T-90M, new gun, engine and transmission, improved FCS. This variant since 2018 is a currently procured variant of T-72.

description of this tank, with photos[bastion-karpenko.ru]

[naqinshah]

Bruh they got the BMPs mixed up, Russia's "BMP-2M" Is the darned standard BMP-2! While the other factions get the damned BMP-2M. Since the BMP-2M has the x4 ATGMS and the Grenade launcher!