Nitpicking: An STC is not a minor relic

[Ezekiel Rage]

A Standard Template Construct is so valuable that the Adeptus Mechanicus would dedicate the resources of an entire Forgeworld or two at nearest hint of an existing "piece" of an STC.

If found they would scurry it away to the deepest bowls of Mars and store it locked behind 100m thick adamantium doors....

An STC for a combat knife was discovered by two Imperial Guard Scouts that was "sharper and lighter and tougher." They were hailed as heroes for this discovery, and received a planet each. The knife was adopted by 30 chapters of the Adeptus Astartes.

And that was just for a new pattern of a Combat knife!
Just imagine if an STC of a new bolter round was found, it would change the Astartes in an instant.

Nitpicking I know but I, and many more with me, have been playing this games for over 20 years.
So if you are going to do Warhammer 40k then do it right.
It is not like the 40K universe is lacking in the lore department....

[mdcpaladin]

john.mediarummet님이 먼저 게시:

Apparently there have been a rumor of a working STC...
Being off the lore for awhile this was news to me...

In 998.M41, rumors erupt that the Omnicopaeia STC is on the Daemon World of Hell's Teeth in the Maelstrom. Due to the immeasurable value of the device the Adeptus Mechanicus mobilizes billions of Skitarii for the reclamation operation.

Anyone know if they've found it or is it an ongoing tale?

i looked it up and dont see anything. looks like its an STC data storage containing all the knowledge of all STCs. better call in the grey knights, space marines, and another 10 billion guardsmen to go after it

[Cranglevoid]

Obvious joke is obvious. Except for a bunch of morons here, apparently.

[mdcpaladin]

Jonny2myren님이 먼저 게시:

Obvious joke is obvious. Except for a bunch of morons here, apparently.

whats da joke dawwwwgg?

[Ezekiel Rage]

I am the liquor님이 먼저 게시:

Jonny2myren님이 먼저 게시:

Obvious joke is obvious. Except for a bunch of morons here, apparently.

whats da joke dawwwwgg?

Don't know maybe he's one of the morons?
But hey we had a good run but as always there is always one that just have to get attention but not by contributing to the discussion but by being an obvious a-hole.

[Ezekiel Rage]

I am the liquor님이 먼저 게시:

john.mediarummet님이 먼저 게시:

Apparently there have been a rumor of a working STC...
Being off the lore for awhile this was news to me...

In 998.M41, rumors erupt that the Omnicopaeia STC is on the Daemon World of Hell's Teeth in the Maelstrom. Due to the immeasurable value of the device the Adeptus Mechanicus mobilizes billions of Skitarii for the reclamation operation.

Anyone know if they've found it or is it an ongoing tale?

i looked it up and dont see anything. looks like its an STC data storage containing all the knowledge of all STCs. better call in the grey knights, space marines, and another 10 billion guardsmen to go after it

If thats enough? :D
Ok thanks :D

[Bhaalspawn]

Actually, there was a fully functioning STC for the original titan that got pulled into the Warp with a forgeworld that showed up in the 2nd Grey Knights book "Dark Adeptus". It only became corrupted when the Grey Knights had to convince the AI running it that it was a demon so they could use their powers to destroy it when it had been producing loads of Chaos Titans to try and get Abaddon the Destroyer to come get it and bring it back to the materium.

[Bonk]

Vuld_Edone님이 먼저 게시:

If we are to nitpick... isn't anyone bothered by how... generic the objectives are?
I mean, even the whole plot the trailer offered was kinda... dull. A Space Hulk appears, something something, you go in.
That discussion about STC's made me think of it, because honestly, if I was told we had to go in that Space Hulk to recover one, it would already be a more concrete goal.

isnt the concrete goal to find that horus heresy ♥♥♥♥ regarding the fallen before someone else does?

[PocketYoda]

Obviously the devs do not understand the lore they are basing the game off well enough, and here in lies the issue with GW titles, they always use people who haven't a clue about what they are creating and what they may ruin the games over...

[scrummy99]

DanteYoda님이 먼저 게시:

Obviously the devs do not understand the lore they are basing the game off well enough, and here in lies the issue with GW titles, they always use people who haven't a clue about what they are creating and what they may ruin the games over...

Actually, the devs (well at least the original group from a bit back had been) massive 40k nerds who were really passionate about the source material.

[Baylock]

john.mediarummet님이 먼저 게시:

A Standard Template Construct is so valuable that the Adeptus Mechanicus would dedicate the resources of an entire Forgeworld or two at nearest hint of an existing "piece" of an STC.

If found they would scurry it away to the deepest bowls of Mars and store it locked behind 100m thick adamantium doors....

An STC for a combat knife was discovered by two Imperial Guard Scouts that was "sharper and lighter and tougher." They were hailed as heroes for this discovery, and received a planet each. The knife was adopted by 30 chapters of the Adeptus Astartes.

And that was just for a new pattern of a Combat knife!
Just imagine if an STC of a new bolter round was found, it would change the Astartes in an instant.

Nitpicking I know but I, and many more with me, have been playing this games for over 20 years.
So if you are going to do Warhammer 40k then do it right.
It is not like the 40K universe is lacking in the lore department....

Well this IS Streumon, who made EYE, if I'm not mistaken. They have some... weird ideas on how things are. Also they're french, don't forget.

On that note, though, that explains why I recognize the chunkier character models and movements. I feel like I'm playing a reskinned EYE: Divine Cybermancy with a less-♥♥♥♥♥♥ but also less-interactive hacking system. (Honestly, they just needed a better and more intuitive hacking UI, this auto-hack is kinda eh)

But yeah you're right on the STC thing. I mean, when Horus learned that the Technocracy had a working STC (200 years into the Great Crusade, by the way) he murdered them all in cold blood. I mean, this was almost right after he woke up after Davin, but hey, still counts.

[PocketYoda]

scrummy99님이 먼저 게시:

DanteYoda님이 먼저 게시:

Obviously the devs do not understand the lore they are basing the game off well enough, and here in lies the issue with GW titles, they always use people who haven't a clue about what they are creating and what they may ruin the games over...

Actually, the devs (well at least the original group from a bit back had been) massive 40k nerds who were really passionate about the source material.

"had been" "were" where are they now?

[Baylock]

Phoenix Legacy님이 먼저 게시:

KEV1N님이 먼저 게시:

Damn.

Gaunt's Ghosts series explains this little tid-bit detail
No fully intact STC have ever been found, it's always just fragments or pieces, allowing for a decade-later use when the Tech Priests have figured the details from them.
An STC is a self-contain replication machine that can produce just about anything that it's programmed to do.

Not only that, it can learn, as Horus and the World Eaters encountered during the Great Crusade against the Technocracy. Their STC was continually repairing the walls and altering the defences. Of course, then out of nowhere the narrative just kind of forgets that and they all charge in, ♥♥♥♥ explodes, Angron gets buried, Sons of Horus run in, kill some Thunder Warriors, they surrender, people come out, diplomacy, Angron leaps out of giant wall that fell on him, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ everyone because honourary Angry Marine. Then they all go home and even Horus forgets the entire reason he murdered their initial contact party in cold blood.

Like damn, even with an STC sitting right in his lap Horus doesn't take it. It's Bad Guy Aiming School, except Inept Imperium Can't Even Remember To Grab Intact STC.

[Baylock]

DanteYoda님이 먼저 게시:

scrummy99님이 먼저 게시:

Actually, the devs (well at least the original group from a bit back had been) massive 40k nerds who were really passionate about the source material.

"had been" "were" where are they now?

He probably means the crew that worked on EYE Divine Cybermancy, which takes a lot from 40k and some other Grimdark-style games. (And honestly falls flat, not for lack of trying, just because it's one of those 'I have this great idea but oh ♥♥♥♥ we're way ahead of our time and this would actually take about 20 years to satisfactorally produce, sadface)

[Pwnyboy-Curtis]

Ahh the universe of warhammer 40k. Where mankind deathballs around the galaxy ruining everyone's stuff just because they can. Where bros teleport around with their minds we're so advanced. But dog gonnit, everyone up and forgot how to machine screws. That old tech is just TOO HARD... Better just religiously salvage stuff instead of finding one of the gazillion human beings around the galaxy who can figure out how anything works.

It's like in the 90's, they didn't even try to make their lore plausible. Maybe that's why it's so charming. Games Workshop certainly wasn't unique. FASA and TSR had similar shortcomings in an endearing way. Even Wizards of the Coast had a lot of early headscratchers.

[Splam]

I think people are jumping at the name STC and immediately their mind races to something ancient and powerful like the blueprints for a Titan or a Starship. The terms Major and Minor are highly contextual first of all. If you look at the major relics theyre all equipment or items sacred to the chapter. Space marines are going to put a higher value on one of a kind sacred artifacts of the chapter than an STC for who knows what, which leads me to my next point: Is an STC still worth 10 billion lives if its a duplicate STC of a sprinkler system for agriculture? Something minor and already well known? How valuable is an STC for the standard issue lasgun? How many of those STC's do we need before any more arent omgwtfbbqsauce valuable?

We just dont have the context needed to know if the STCs we see in game are even COMPLETE STCs, they could be fragments or unusable. People are citing lore here like is gospel and they hardly adhere to it themselves with their silly rants.