AI offering peace treaty

[likho1eye]

Here's the problem:
They tend to do that when I already crushed their fleets and took half of their colonies. Why would I accept that? Offer me something of value, and I might consider it, but right now it is pretty much auto-decline.

I see two possible solutions to this:
1) Make AI smarter with its offers
2) Allow player to counter the offer by demanding additional assets (money/technology/colonies/etc)

[Roderick]

To the second point... did you try to negotiate with em afterwards? Sometimes they really accept an trade for peace with you (and your additional demands).

To the question why you could accept that.
a) You could have two frontlines and my close this one.

b) It may be a game, but there is a race beggin for its life and you have the decission to anhilate them or not. Imagine some stupid politican declares war and the other country is going to crush your entire species because of that one decission. Pretty inhuman, or? (as that, it is a game after all, but not asking for peace with extinction at hand would seem rather unrealistic for me)

[Silversata]

They will sometimes offer just a treaty (it's only 20 turns). I usually turn them down and the following turn offer a treaty as part of my demands (tech, colonies, whatever).

It would be nice however, as you suggested, if we could ask for things in their initial offer for peace rather than waiting for the players turn.

[Davor]

Why they would offer a peace treaty? Becasue they don't want to be wiped out. I was about to be wiped out in one game. I asked for peace. The AI refused. Why would they accept? They are going to crush me.

So basically the AI is acting like you. :P Isn't this what we have been asking for? A tough AI who makes rational decisions and sometimes irrational decisons as a human would?

[likho1eye]

Originally posted by Davor:

So basically the AI is acting like you. :P Isn't this what we have been asking for? A tough AI who makes rational decisions and sometimes irrational decisons as a human would?

Really? Acting like me?
Because I would be offering a concession in form of cash or a technology, if I actually want to achieve a result, as opposed to flailing for my life.

[Davor]

Originally posted by liho1eye:

Originally posted by Davor:

So basically the AI is acting like you. :P Isn't this what we have been asking for? A tough AI who makes rational decisions and sometimes irrational decisons as a human would?

Really? Acting like me?
Because I would be offering a concession in form of cash or a technology, if I actually want to achieve a result, as opposed to flailing for my life.

While it's not perfect, yes the AI acts like what alot of humans would do. They might not act like you or me, but yes they act like what alot of people would do.

[likho1eye]

Originally posted by Davor:

While it's not perfect, yes the AI acts like what alot of humans would do. They might not act like you or me, but yes they act like what alot of people would do.

I think you're grasping at straws if you think that was the developer's intent to make AI unreasonable. Much more likely they simply didn't develop this feature fully due to various constraints.

[Davor]

Originally posted by liho1eye:

Originally posted by Davor:

While it's not perfect, yes the AI acts like what alot of humans would do. They might not act like you or me, but yes they act like what alot of people would do.

I think you're grasping at straws if you think that was the developer's intent to make AI unreasonable. Much more likely they simply didn't develop this feature fully due to various constraints.

Forget it. You believe what you. I tried to tell you how the AI was for in my game and if you want to say I am lieing or "grasping at straws" because my answer doesn't fit with your answer or your point of view, I have nothing left to say.

Unsubscribed now.

[Zhivago]

The solution, of course, is for the game to be modified, so that when the AI says "peace treaty", you can change that to "peace treaty, 1500 BC and these techs and/or planets". Because we can't modify an agreement offered by the AI, you have to decline the offer (which affects your relationship level) and then make a counter offer. Poor design that needs to be fixed.

[mewdego]

a simple counter offer button would solve this...

[Stelar Seven]

Yes we should be able to modify treaties. And yes the ai acts like a human player in many things. Mrrshan are amazingly petty, Klackons are loyal... get to know the races.

[Kahvipannu]

Even when you have massive fleet bombing theyr last planets, they refuse to give anything for peace, it seems rather weird...

Also +1 to counter offering. This is problem becouse turning a bad offer down actually affects your relations with that faction.

[merccobb]

Definitely need a counter offer button. I also hate when the AI offers a tech trade, I can either give it to them as is or decline it. Not having the tech tree memorized yet, you can't even consult the costs of the techs to see if the AI is offering a good deal!

[Davor]

Originally posted by KahvipannuTWC:

Even when you have massive fleet bombing theyr last planets, they refuse to give anything for peace, it seems rather weird...

Khan as in Star Trek the Wrath of Khan. They seem to act perfectly like a human would or at least in human moives. I am sure there are alot of people who rather die with pride, or fight to the end in real life. Other wise we wouldn't have all these shoot outs and people would be giving up in real life instead of fighting to the death.

Just because you think it is what shoudl happend, doesn't happen in real life sadly.

[Dark_Messiah]

This is just one reason why so many people kept telling the devs the game wasn't ready to leave early access(missing and incomplete features).

[Kahvipannu]

Originally posted by Davor:

Originally posted by KahvipannuTWC:

Even when you have massive fleet bombing theyr last planets, they refuse to give anything for peace, it seems rather weird...

Khan as in Star Trek the Wrath of Khan. They seem to act perfectly like a human would or at least in human moives. I am sure there are alot of people who rather die with pride, or fight to the end in real life. Other wise we wouldn't have all these shoot outs and people would be giving up in real life instead of fighting to the death.

Just because you think it is what shoudl happend, doesn't happen in real life sadly.

Don't have Khan, so can't say anything about that.

But that is just same thing, you are saying what you think they will do.

Basic assumption is they do the rational things, over emotional, specially Psilons. Or Meklar, are they going to be stubborn? Are you going to make up emotions for them too? It is about survival, so if your opponent asks credits, for exchance for the survival of theyr species, are you really going to turn that down? Rather just vanish, instead losing chunk of your treasury.