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Messi Sep 20, 2016 @ 5:24am
No tactical combat in MP
Man, this really stinks. I hope they add the feature one day, anyone know why its not here? Seems like it should be a simple button to press before you create the game to allow or not allow tactical combat. I like having control over my fleet so when they die I know it was MY fault for issuing bad orders, but when my fleet gets annihilated using the auto resolve I have no idea what orders were issued... very frustrating.
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frdnwsm Sep 20, 2016 @ 5:39am 
Never use the auto resolve. The AI is a far worse admiral than you are. It will lose more than half of the combats it calls "balanced", whereas, with full control, I will win 95% of them.
Last edited by frdnwsm; Sep 20, 2016 @ 5:40am
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Messi Sep 20, 2016 @ 6:16am 
Originally posted by frdnwsm:
Never use the auto resolve. The AI is a far worse admiral than you are. It will lose more than half of the combats it calls "balanced", whereas, with full control, I will win 95% of them.

I agree, but in MP it is ONLY auto resolve :(
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frdnwsm Sep 20, 2016 @ 6:27am 
OH! I have never tried MP mode, so I had no idea! You HAVE to use combat with auto resolve? That sucks big time!
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Messi Sep 20, 2016 @ 6:51am 
Originally posted by frdnwsm:
OH! I have never tried MP mode, so I had no idea! You HAVE to use combat with auto resolve? That sucks big time!

Unfortunately yes! I am playing with a friend and just lost a battle I think I should have won if it was tactical
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Sinjen Blackstar Sep 20, 2016 @ 7:12am 
This is why I'm not playing this multiplayer. They need to fix this.
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purdueguy Sep 20, 2016 @ 8:00am 
The game was built with this in mind. The foundational code to support this is in place. So hopefully in the future.

As to auto-resolve, I use that most of the time...as my ships are usually 60% chance or higher of winning. And oddly, most of the time with those odds, I won't lose any ship! Kind of wierd really...
I think after playing so many hours of the game, I just want to plow through the routine battles to get through the more fun late game battles.

In the late game I actually control combat with my high tech ships...it works better to control with all the advanced specials.
Last edited by purdueguy; Sep 20, 2016 @ 8:06am
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Messi Sep 20, 2016 @ 8:01am 
Originally posted by Sinjen Blackstar:
This is why I'm not playing this multiplayer. They need to fix this.

TBH I have no idea why they don't allow at least the option of turning it on before the game starts. Unless there is a programming issue they can't solve. Let people who want to play MP with tactical combat play it that way, and the ones that don't don't have to. Personally when my friend and I play we BOTH want tactical combat
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Boswelli Sep 20, 2016 @ 8:31am 
Originally posted by Messi:
Originally posted by Sinjen Blackstar:
This is why I'm not playing this multiplayer. They need to fix this.

TBH I have no idea why they don't allow at least the option of turning it on before the game starts. Unless there is a programming issue they can't solve. Let people who want to play MP with tactical combat play it that way, and the ones that don't don't have to. Personally when my friend and I play we BOTH want tactical combat


There ARE programming issues! It is one thing to have tactical battles vs. the AI on your own computer, but fight multiplayer battles in realtime with other people on the internet is the other. To make this fair, playable and fun you'll need a decent netcode to prevent lags and cheating etc. So i guess the devs working on that already but it isn't finished yet (tbh programming a online-multiplayer game is sth. different to a single player one).

They could have made a compromise and let the players in MP games fight the battles vs. AI opponents in tactical mode while battles vs. human players would only have auto-resolve avaliable. It would be a very easy to handle scenario but for some reason the devs decided against it. So actually there is just auto-resolve for every battle in MP.
Last edited by Boswelli; Sep 20, 2016 @ 8:32am
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purdueguy Sep 20, 2016 @ 9:07am 
@Messi - I responded to the WHY in the "multiplayer feedback v49.3" thread (in the 'Feedback and Suggestions' forum) where you also posted this question. Relaying bits of info I've previously seen posted by the developers.
Last edited by purdueguy; Sep 20, 2016 @ 9:16am
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Messi Sep 20, 2016 @ 11:58am 
Originally posted by purdueguy:
@Messi - I responded to the WHY in the "multiplayer feedback v49.3" thread (in the 'Feedback and Suggestions' forum) where you also posted this question. Relaying bits of info I've previously seen posted by the developers.


Originally posted by Boswelli:
Originally posted by Messi:

TBH I have no idea why they don't allow at least the option of turning it on before the game starts. Unless there is a programming issue they can't solve. Let people who want to play MP with tactical combat play it that way, and the ones that don't don't have to. Personally when my friend and I play we BOTH want tactical combat


There ARE programming issues! It is one thing to have tactical battles vs. the AI on your own computer, but fight multiplayer battles in realtime with other people on the internet is the other. To make this fair, playable and fun you'll need a decent netcode to prevent lags and cheating etc. So i guess the devs working on that already but it isn't finished yet (tbh programming a online-multiplayer game is sth. different to a single player one).

They could have made a compromise and let the players in MP games fight the battles vs. AI opponents in tactical mode while battles vs. human players would only have auto-resolve avaliable. It would be a very easy to handle scenario but for some reason the devs decided against it. So actually there is just auto-resolve for every battle in MP.

So, I am OK with that. However, I wish there was more information about how auto resolve works. Do my ships simulate smart decisions based off of the weapons/tech on my ships? or do I need to load out my ships differently than SP?
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Sinjen Blackstar Sep 20, 2016 @ 9:03pm 
In single player I am losing battles using autoresolve that I can win if I play them out myself it seems.
Last edited by Sinjen Blackstar; Sep 20, 2016 @ 9:03pm
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mangopurple Sep 20, 2016 @ 11:30pm 
i assume autoresolve does same thing in MP as when you press Take Command and let AI control in single player, so you can observe behaviour in single player.
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mensmans Sep 20, 2016 @ 11:55pm 
Funny enough, this is where turn based combat would come in handy.
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Messi Sep 21, 2016 @ 5:41am 
Originally posted by purdueguy:
The game was built with this in mind. The foundational code to support this is in place. So hopefully in the future.

As to auto-resolve, I use that most of the time...as my ships are usually 60% chance or higher of winning. And oddly, most of the time with those odds, I won't lose any ship! Kind of wierd really...
I think after playing so many hours of the game, I just want to plow through the routine battles to get through the more fun late game battles.

In the late game I actually control combat with my high tech ships...it works better to control with all the advanced specials.


See that's another question I have, does the auto resolve factor in the specials? I just now read that last line you wrote lol
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Messi Sep 21, 2016 @ 5:42am 
Originally posted by mangopurple:
i assume autoresolve does same thing in MP as when you press Take Command and let AI control in single player, so you can observe behaviour in single player.

If that is true, I am OK with auto resolve.
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