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Hatman 2014 年 11 月 18 日 上午 10:53
So Imps are germans hu?
While playing the maingame i always thought if the imperials as kind of an alternate reality russian/asian coalition of sorts.

But when i tried out Sel's DLC all your imperial squadmates have spot-on german names. Old fashioned ones even like they would be popular back then. And cliche WW2 names like Fritz.

I'm mildly offended that my people are yet again the bad guys even though we would (geographically) live on federation soil. XD
最后由 Hatman 编辑于; 2014 年 11 月 18 日 上午 10:54
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Scaredog20 2014 年 11 月 18 日 上午 11:04 
Well the game was made by Japan and they where on Germany's side, I was suprised they made a refrence to WW2 and the map is not exactly acurate. The map is not Europe its Europa
最后由 Scaredog20 编辑于; 2014 年 11 月 18 日 上午 11:05
fights4love 2014 年 11 月 18 日 上午 11:12 
I want to see a sequel with Japan as the new "imps" of the game. Lol, as if that would happen.
Akkarinn 2014 年 11 月 18 日 上午 11:16 
As much as I feel your pain, Germany were the " Bad Guys " in both World Wars and being as big as there were, peoples imagine of evil in that time theme as Nazi Germany. You cant really blame people for using it alot. I would not feel anger at this though, its just a Anime game and you get the hot Sev girl xD
最后由 Akkarinn 编辑于; 2014 年 11 月 18 日 上午 11:19
Hatman 2014 年 11 月 18 日 上午 11:27 
引用自 Akkarin
As much as I feel your pain, Germany were the " Bad Guys " in both World Wars and being as big as there were, peoples imagine of evil in that time theme as Nazi Germany. You cant really blame people for using it alot. I would not feel anger at this though, its just a Anime game and you get the hot Sev girl xD
Not to mention ridiculously over-the-top war machines. I guess that part fits. ^^
Reverend Belial 2014 年 11 月 18 日 上午 11:29 
Given the fact that the entire storyline is a play on WW2 I'd say it was a justified decision (or at least as justified as it can be given how little effort they put into the backstory/setting)
Harukage 2014 年 11 月 18 日 上午 11:36 
引用自 Reverend Belial
Given the fact that the entire storyline is a play on WW2 I'd say it was a justified decision (or at least as justified as it can be given how little effort they put into the backstory/setting)
Lol encycpopedia explains it all. Plus this game had a lot of related materials. This games backstory and setting is very well built for an anime game. Add a lot of lore from next games too.
[FOX] 2014 年 11 月 18 日 上午 11:40 
引用自 Hatman
While playing the maingame i always thought if the imperials as kind of an alternate reality russian/asian coalition of sorts.

But when i tried out Sel's DLC all your imperial squadmates have spot-on german names. Old fashioned ones even like they would be popular back then. And cliche WW2 names like Fritz.

I'm mildly offended that my people are yet again the bad guys even though we would (geographically) live on federation soil. XD
Well, Russia, China and North Korea are a bad guys in a lot American movies and games. All they speak in bad, broken language. And all world accept this and agreed with this. This always a bad feeling, when your country - World Evil. Dont worry about this. This is just a game and all characters looks like anime boys and girls.
JarJarTwinks 2014 年 11 月 18 日 上午 11:40 
引用自 Akkarin
As much as I feel your pain, Germany were the " Bad Guys " in both World Wars and being as big as there were, peoples imagine of evil in that time theme as Nazi Germany. You cant really blame people for using it alot. I would not feel anger at this though, its just a Anime game and you get the hot Sev girl xD

Germany was definitely not "the bad guy" in the Great War......The victor writes history and Germany has been blamed after the Great War for an event that involved all the European countries. The popular idea of Germany as the "bad guy" in the Great War has been widely contested, rather France, Russia, the UK and Germany all share the blame for the war whilst one can even argue that Germany was the least "responsible" for the war.
Moon Punisher 2014 年 11 月 18 日 上午 11:50 
Every single side in this game is "evil" to me.

Ofc , when you see the game from one perspective , you tend to think X are the good guys , BUT they also took care of that on the selvaria DLC(and some but few parts in the main game) where you get to play the imps and they become the heroes.

Funny enough , yes , this is pretty much what happens in real life , the "good" side is something the media makes up so people can justify what happens.
最后由 Moon Punisher 编辑于; 2014 年 11 月 18 日 上午 11:51
Hatman 2014 年 11 月 18 日 上午 11:55 
I wasn't really serious about being upset.

I just found it curious because the names of your gallian characters are pretty varied but the DLC names are almost all typically german.

Maybe one of the DLC devs just found it funny. *shrug*
Akkarinn 2014 年 11 月 18 日 上午 11:58 
引用自 Erik Butterbeard
引用自 Akkarin
As much as I feel your pain, Germany were the " Bad Guys " in both World Wars and being as big as there were, peoples imagine of evil in that time theme as Nazi Germany. You cant really blame people for using it alot. I would not feel anger at this though, its just a Anime game and you get the hot Sev girl xD

Germany was definitely not "the bad guy" in the Great War......The victor writes history and Germany has been blamed after the Great War for an event that involved all the European countries. The popular idea of Germany as the "bad guy" in the Great War has been widely contested, rather France, Russia, the UK and Germany all share the blame for the war whilst one can even argue that Germany was the least "responsible" for the war.

WW2 Germany was without a doubt the bad guys, lets be honest on that. The first world war Germany attacked neutral Belgium and Luxembourg for no reason at all but Invasion, which if they did not, the UK likey would not have even joined the war itself, and the Invasion was a plan to use them nations to attack France. So Sorry to say it, But Germany were the bad guys in that war too, even if far less so than the second world war.

Yes History is based on the victor, but there is just insane amounts of truth to those facts and even Germans addmitting to it, But look it up on Wiki and historical sites for the facts.

But alas, its a Anime game, and no point digging up the past of the real world.

最后由 Akkarinn 编辑于; 2014 年 11 月 18 日 下午 12:01
JarJarTwinks 2014 年 11 月 18 日 下午 12:20 
@Akkarin. I did not argue that Germany can be considered the antagonist in WW2 as this is obviously true; however your notion of Germany being the agressor in WW1 is frankly incorrect, which I shall eloborate on further.

World War 1 can be attributed to a variety of factors, the main ones being modern imperialism and nationalism. Germany was a fast growing young country at the turn of the 20th century and was a new player in the global order, with German industrial output taking over that of Brittian, the old economic powerhouse in Europe. As a young nation Germany had no large colonial emprie of its own and was shut out in building this by France and Brittian who maintained a monopoly on African goods, this ofcourse increased German-Franco tensions.

However, a more important notion is that of nationalism. Nationalism, first used by the French general Napoleon to unite France, proved to be an effective tool in maintaining the modern nation-state and army around the turn of the 19th century and rose too an all time high around the First World War. This of course created tensions between the great nations of Europe, this together with the rise of militarism (military intervention as a means of solving problems instead of diplomacy) created a warlike attitude.

When Franz-Ferdinand was assinated by Serbian rebels these above mentioned reasons were seized upon by Austria-Hungarian military leaders to pressure the emperor in to declaring war on Serbia. Interestingly enough the Emperor was quite relieved when he first heard of Franz-Ferdinands death as he was considered quite a pest and spoilt brat. This decleration of war set in motion a chain for Serbia was allied with Russia, who was in their part allied with Great-Brittian and France. Austria-Hungary, allied with the German Empire. effectively used Franz-Ferdinands assination to declare war on Russia, therefore dragging the German Empire with them into the war who in turned seized this opportunity to settle the old score with France which can be traced back towards the medieval period.

This cohesive picture of the cause of the war does not do justice to it, as I am aware as a history student, however it does illustrate how hard it is to blame anyone on the cause. One could argue that it was Serbia, for a countryman assisinated Franz-Ferdinand, however the Serbian government did not support this. One could argue that it was Austria-Hungary, however they used the assisination as an excuse to retake their lost terrority in the Balkans which was conquered by the Russians etc.What I want you, Akkarin, to take out of this is that World War 1 is far more complex than WW2, and the catalist of the war can therefore not solely be Germany.
Reverend Belial 2014 年 11 月 18 日 下午 12:29 
引用自 Harukage
引用自 Reverend Belial
Given the fact that the entire storyline is a play on WW2 I'd say it was a justified decision (or at least as justified as it can be given how little effort they put into the backstory/setting)
Lol encycpopedia explains it all. Plus this game had a lot of related materials. This games backstory and setting is very well built for an anime game. Add a lot of lore from next games too.
What I meant by that was like how they named it Europa, and how it's literally just World War 2 on the European level. I didn't mean the actual storyline itself.
Akkarinn 2014 年 11 月 18 日 下午 12:36 
引用自 Erik Butterbeard
@Akkarin. I did not argue that Germany can be considered the antagonist in WW2 as this is obviously true; however your notion of Germany being the agressor in WW1 is frankly incorrect, which I shall eloborate on further.

World War 1 can be attributed to a variety of factors, the main ones being modern imperialism and nationalism. Germany was a fast growing young country at the turn of the 20th century and was a new player in the global order, with German industrial output taking over that of Brittian, the old economic powerhouse in Europe. As a young nation Germany had no large colonial emprie of its own and was shut out in building this by France and Brittian who maintained a monopoly on African goods, this ofcourse increased German-Franco tensions.

However, a more important notion is that of nationalism. Nationalism, first used by the French general Napoleon to unite France, proved to be an effective tool in maintaining the modern nation-state and army around the turn of the 19th century and rose too an all time high around the First World War. This of course created tensions between the great nations of Europe, this together with the rise of militarism (military intervention as a means of solving problems instead of diplomacy) created a warlike attitude.

When Franz-Ferdinand was assinated by Serbian rebels these above mentioned reasons were seized upon by Austria-Hungarian military leaders to pressure the emperor in to declaring war on Serbia. Interestingly enough the Emperor was quite relieved when he first heard of Franz-Ferdinands death as he was considered quite a pest and spoilt brat. This decleration of war set in motion a chain for Serbia was allied with Russia, who was in their part allied with Great-Brittian and France. Austria-Hungary, allied with the German Empire. effectively used Franz-Ferdinands assination to declare war on Russia, therefore dragging the German Empire with them into the war who in turned seized this opportunity to settle the old score with France which can be traced back towards the medieval period.

This cohesive picture of the cause of the war does not do justice to it, as I am aware as a history student, however it does illustrate how hard it is to blame anyone on the cause. One could argue that it was Serbia, for a countryman assisinated Franz-Ferdinand, however the Serbian government did not support this. One could argue that it was Austria-Hungary, however they used the assisination as an excuse to retake their lost terrority in the Balkans which was conquered by the Russians etc.What I want you, Akkarin, to take out of this is that World War 1 is far more complex than WW2, and the catalist of the war can therefore not solely be Germany.

I in fact 100% agree with you reading that, I am not a man who is ignorant to others views and that my own can be wrong. I do feel the first world war was very complicated and the Axis were not feeding off pure malice like other wars. I do feel germany did some bad things, like the invasions I spoke of. But unlike the second war like you it was very complex and alot of grey areas. but thank you for commenting, its refreshing to see people not just scream and shout and give facts and points of views.
最后由 Akkarinn 编辑于; 2014 年 11 月 18 日 下午 12:37
CaptainCoxwaggle 2014 年 11 月 18 日 下午 2:23 
I'd say Germany was the villian in WWI for being gung-ho aggressive in supporting Austria-Hungaria and for willfully invading neutral nations. But were in the right in WWII where Danzing was by every means a German town, and they had every right to demand it and their former territories back. Of course they became villianous as the war went on, but the true villian of WW2 was the Soviet Union.
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