*Spoilers* This may be a stupid question, but...

[SenMithrarin85]

How do you damage the Valkoff lance on the Marmota? I've taken out the heatsinks and Welkin et al are telling me to attack the lance, but nothing I'm hitting it with is lowering its HP! I've tried tank shots, lancers and shocks too. Help!

[masterzhang]

It's only the glowing tip that's vulnerable.

[Hexerin]

Glowing tip, the hitbox is massive so don't worry too much about missed shots. Also it counts as a tank, for the purposes of orders.

[bingyuzh]

Have a lancer go up onto the Marmota and blast the thing from right below it. The lancer can't miss the weak spot (too many times).

[Hexerin]

Originally posted by bingyuzh:

Have a lancer go up onto the Marmota and blast the thing from right below it. The lancer can't miss the weak spot (too many times).

Rosie with Demo Boost is better, assuming Machine Guns are upgraded properly.

[SenMithrarin85]

Man, do I feel stupid lol. Thanks, guys.

[Gekkibi]

Originally posted by Hexerin:

Originally posted by bingyuzh:

Have a lancer go up onto the Marmota and blast the thing from right below it. The lancer can't miss the weak spot (too many times).

Rosie with Demo Boost is better, assuming Machine Guns are upgraded properly.

Rosie + Ruhm with a demolition order alone can only do 1 point of damage per hit.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=383828841

But just in case you accidentally said demolition boost and not penetration or demolition + penetration, let's discuss those too.

Rosie + Ruhm with both demolition and penetration orders does this:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=383821972
(not enough to kill it in one turn because those orders, the trip and taking those radiator down leaves you 1 CP)

Rosie + Ruhm with penetration order does this (screenshot has been taken during the last CP. One of the attacks activated double attack):
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=383822132

And then you can finish that mission with Jann in one turn. So no, Rosie isn't better than a lancer.

As usual, the evidence I provide is repeatable and testable by anyone. Feel free to test it yourself if you question what I said. I think you got defeated yet again. You should really stop making such claims...

Here's how you can test what Jann can do (haven't tested with other lancers because Jann is the only one I use).
1) Fire the damaged spot with Jann and move to the 1st level of the ramp
2) Run with Alicia all the way up and take 1st radiator
2) Take the 2nd radiator
3) Pump Jann up and run to the top and keep firing at the lance (you might have to use resupply order if he doesn't get additional rounds because of his potential)
4) ???
5) Profit

[busards]

Actually, any trooper can one-turn that battle. It's just that UAA lancers can do it in less CPs.

[Gekkibi]

Originally posted by busards:

Actually, any trooper can one-turn that battle. It's just that UAA lancers can do it in less CPs.

I don't understand how. You have 10 CP and it takes 4 CP for a trooper to destroy the radiators. 3 if you use a scout and attack the lance from ground level. Problem with this is that the damage isn't nearly as much due to distance. It saves you 1 CP if you attack from the ground but the damage difference is something like 8 CP.

If you have a working strat for this then I'd love to hear it. So far I can't think of a way to 1-turn it with a trooper.

Edit: I just realized that a person who used a nick "Busard" made a gamefaqs thread years ago about the minimum turns per mission. Assuming you are the same person, could you explain how it is possible to beat "Retreat from Bruhl" in one turn? The post there has an explanation "doesn't need save/load but perfect positioning; 3 turns otherwise". It has to exploit some whacky glitch because naturally it's not possible to inflict that much damage to a tank without orders. I've tried to google this for a some time but so far it seems this Busard is the only one who claims it is possible in one turn.

If you're not the same person then disregard this.
...But you have to be him/her, because you made this trick :) *bows down*
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnsf1b_triple-tank-kill_videogames

Final edit: I just had to dig deeper to dailymotion to find out an answer to my question: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8bdmc_valkyria-chronicles-chapter-2-in-on_videogames
*bows down even deeper*

[Kardwill]

Originally posted by Hexerin:

Originally posted by bingyuzh:

Have a lancer go up onto the Marmota and blast the thing from right below it. The lancer can't miss the weak spot (too many times).

Rosie with Demo Boost is better, assuming Machine Guns are upgraded properly.

Jann with awakened potential and Largo next to him : triple damage infinite ammo goodness ^^

[bingyuzh]

I mean, it's not like you are in desperate need for CPs in this mission. Shocktroopers, lancers, whatever. Eventually you will kill that lance and A rank this easily.

[Gekkibi]

Originally posted by bingyuzh:

I mean, it's not like you are in desperate need for CPs in this mission. Shocktroopers, lancers, whatever. Eventually you will kill that lance and A rank this easily.

It depends on what "level" you're playing the game. Because the game lacks difficulty settings, the community has made some very interesting house rules how to play. One is to figure out the least amount of CP you have to use to beat a mission. For example my record for "Desert Duel with Maximilian" is 12 CP (iirc, 1 to get rid of the infantry with a shocktrooper [the rest gets killed on enemy turn], 8 total with the tank and 3 total for a lancer *).

And, yes, you're able to get A with a trooper or with a lancer. I debunked the assertion that a trooper is, and I quote, "better". ;)

* Edit: Forgot to calculate the CP I used to destroy it. It seems I need more coffee. :)

[«Wodan»]

http://youtu.be/fKhYMMPtGbY?t=5m47s - shocktrooper. Personally I don't think it matters if all you want is A rank. At this part of the game I didn't have penetration so I used a lancer. From what I can tell as soon as penetration is involved shocktroopers become the most OP thing alive.

and yes... as you can see in the video the Valkof has an actual weakspot and a spot that resist everything.

[Gekkibi]

Originally posted by «Wodan»:

http://youtu.be/fKhYMMPtGbY?t=5m47s - shocktrooper. Personally I don't think it matters if all you want is A rank. At this part of the game I didn't have penetration so I used a lancer. From what I can tell as soon as penetration is involved shocktroopers become the most OP thing alive.

That's for 2 turns. Nobody here is questioning that (but still thanks for posting it because someone might want to know how to do it).

I still prefer scouts with high-tier Kars. You don't even have to use the penetration order to destroy non-boss enemies (including tanks) with them. But yeah, penetration is quite broken. ;)

[busards]

Originally posted by Gekkibi:

Originally posted by busards:

Actually, any trooper can one-turn that battle. It's just that UAA lancers can do it in less CPs.

If you have a working strat for this then I'd love to hear it. So far I can't think of a way to 1-turn it with a trooper.

Here's a video of a trooper beating the battle in 1 turn:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2g10fs_valkyria-chronicles-dorothy-vs-valkof_videogames

Originally posted by Gekkibi:

could you explain how it is possible to beat "Retreat from Bruhl" in one turn?

You found my video so I don't need to tell you how it's done but I will still comment a little on it. It's a 1 CP victory. Thanks to the "running against the wall of debris" trick, Alicia suffers a lot less damage than if she was standing still and doesn't need to heal at all.

[Gekkibi]

Originally posted by busards:

Originally posted by Gekkibi:

If you have a working strat for this then I'd love to hear it. So far I can't think of a way to 1-turn it with a trooper.

Here's a video of a trooper beating the battle in 1 turn:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2g10fs_valkyria-chronicles-dorothy-vs-valkof_videogames

Hmph. I haven't even tried to destroy them from that side, I've always assumed you have to hit the glowing part... This method saves 1 CP because you don't have to take down the wall, and you can also move even closer to Valkof.

Thanks. This method seems to be more faster (edit: real-life time, not CP) than using lancers (only an issue during speedruns).