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That's why people like Gregor and Jaeger exist, why the empire still fights with human soldiers despite having a Valkyria and why Maximillian didn't brought up Selvaria to the front lines to destroy the entire Gallian army and win the war on day one. Valkyria's power are just a trump card, Selvaria shown up in Barious only because Maximillian was caught in that battle hence they couldn't afford defeat. Later she appears again at Naggiar to turn the tables because by that time Gallia was about winning the war.
Welkin's decision makes sense, not only he allways believed that victory must be achieved through human power, but he also understood that Alicia didn't want to be a Valkyria, so he didn't want to force her to lose her humanity.
Sure, but those are powers that are more or less inherent to Alicia as a person. From what little we've seen, she can't exactly choose to switch those off any more than someone could choose to not breathe (or even less so, since you can choose to stubbornly hold your breath for a good several seconds).
Possible, though even that reading is more questionable.
I'd say ot goes beyond that. They fundamentally *Can't* use a Valkyria's power everywhere because there just aren't enough. Selvaria can't be everywehere at once, so most of the fighting, dying, objective securing, and unromantic sandbag piling would have to be done by the average soldier no matter what anybody feels about a Valkyria's power.
Thata nd the fact that a few other things establish that Valkyria are not entirely unstoppable by what's avalible to a conventional force (albeit much of which is highly illegal) means that all of that twists together. Meaning they're incentivized to keep fighting the war when she is away, and to measure when she uses her powers.
She shows up here and there a number of times, in and out of Blue Flame mode. If the DLC and VC3 are to be believed she also played a role in the storming of Ghirlandaio in the opening days of the war, mostly as a "normal" (Albeit obscenely powerful) soldier. Though she apparently did use her lance and shield in one specific objective.
The latter bit might be saying a bit much. She certainly is horrified during the time of the game, but come VC2 two years later she does matter of factly state she is a Valkyria and seems to have come to terms with it and the fact that her next child probably will be one as well.
But otherwise agreed.
If Alicia did embrace her power, exactly what in the world would be able to force her to use it to attack the Empire or the Federation? She could simply use it to pound the living daylights out of everyone that tried to invade Gallia, then stop there.
The way he talks it seems like he'd prefer the Marmota turning Randgriz into a parking lot, with their army and royal guard essentially wiped out and only the militia remaining to resist, with all the associated civilian casualties. Nothing that had been thrown up against the Marmota had made even a dent in it, with the sole exception of Alicia's lance. And he's of the opinion that giving up the only thing that could at the time save their beloved nation from a bunch of butchers with no compunction about targeting civilians (as long as non-darcsens weren't used as -hostages-) is the best decision.
Even as you face the Valkyria-'roid raging Maximilian, do we let her power up so that the decidedly human militia doesn't have to face this Japanese RPG final boss on their own to spare her dear family the casualties likely to ensue from that? NOPE!
My main caveat is with the linking of Alicia's Valkyria powers to more conflict; mostly because (from everything- and I mean Everything- we know of the lore) there *is going to be more conflcit no matter what.* That isn't going to be specifically because of using Alicia's Valkyria powers or not (and in some cases using them carefully- ah, but htere's the catch- could have helped), but things are not going well.
Ask Selvaria or (in the latter VCs) Aliasse or Riela. Selvaria was just one Valkyria that was apparently a product of this *entire stable* of Valks that the Empire have penned in one of their research programs, and it's very clear they could push her around even before she found Max (and vice versa).
The bottom line is that- contrary to what a lot of people in game say- Valkyria are still human. The dark side of that coin is that they can be subject to the same influences and pressures that humans can be. And Selvaria is case in point.
Yeaaaaah, good luck with that.
The entire plot of the sequel (VC2) is largely centered on the problems that come up when people try to do that. It does leave the door of this particular question more appropriately open than I think VC1 does, but it also shows the downside. That it is open to abuse.
Namely: any power capable of "simply" using it to pound the living daylights out of any invader can also turn around and use it to crush anybody who does not bend knee to them in country, or try to press on to invade others. Which is what the antagonists of VC2 try.
The sequel does raise the possibility (and does not dismiss it) that one could use the powers to protect people (as one of the characters there vows). But the fact remains: that kind of power is open to all kinds of abuse, and the only safeguard are the people in question.
Or to put it another way: if you've played Behind Her Blue Flame, rephrase this paragraph (from "If Alicia did..." to "then stop there."), only rephrase it for "Damon" and "poison gas attacks." And see how the same train of logic lined up.
Gallia can afford to escalate things far less than any potential foreign enemy (even a conspiring, disinherited bastard).
I agree about most of this- especially that bit at the end, where we have an enemy figure using powers near equivalent to it in a crowded location. I'm not saying it is the best thought out aesop ever.
That said, like I said before: if you want to see one particularly troublesome application of where this can lead you to, again: rephrase for Damon and his (highly illegal) use of poisonous gas.
While Damon is as thoroughly unsympathetic as they come, the justification(s) are easy enough to see. Like in the main story, absolutely nothing that had been thrown up against Selvaria to that point had made an impact. The result had lost Gallia's prime fortress to the enemy and opened up the frontier for invasion by those same butchers. So if you have to do something... then what?
The issue I think the storytellers fumble at is the bigger picture. Damon recklessly opened Gallia up to retaliation and death in a storm of poison gas (See: Germany's violation of its' own obligations in international law in WWI regarding poison gas use), and against an enemy that had faaaar more ability to do it than a tiny neutral. The use of Alicia's powers not only saved the Gallian military from destruction from Selvaria and conventional attacks, but also nearly wiped them out (especially her own command) when she could not handle the psychological problems of her awakening and nearly FInal Flamed.
And overuse or misus of the powers of the Valkyria can not only lead to things like Barious and paint Grade A targets on those using them, they can also leave that power open to hijacking by people Infinitely less restrained or moral than the Baker of Bruhl is.
Basically, it's not so much that the powers *will* inevitably be misused by anyone- even those with the best of intentions and mental health-, it's that they *Can* be misused once exposed.
Which I think is a very valid point. But one the games do a pretty poor job of telling.
Yup. And poor Edy. Tone deaf. lol.
I was kind of shipping Ted and Marina. Pity they went their separate ways.
As for why Alicia was so disturbed by being a Valkyria, it was probably due to the suddenness of the discovery, all the attention focused on her when she used to be "that little baker girl" and the titles the religious keep giving her. IIRC, she mentioned that people called her "the God-child". I don't know about you, but if someone called me that, it would seriously creep me out. Valkyries were not only military soldiers, they were also the country's "Gods". If Alicia had a brain-fart and suddenly declared that she wanted to be Queen of Gallia, most of the people would have happily hanged Cordelia.