Are sheeps now useless when you have alpacas?

[Kael]

im a bit confused.
In my experience: Sheep wool itself in its mass is more valuable than Alpaca wool. Alpaca wool cost a bit more and can be sold a bit more, but takes longer to grow.

But atm - i have sheep and Alpacas in my colony (cause i do a medieval run) - it seems Sheep and Alpacas have the same amount of wool production.

But the wiki say that sheep wool is more cost efficient + better to sell. Now i got a bulk trader, wanted to sell some stuff to get some coins you know. And i see:

Sheep Wool: 1.79 Silver (+10% Negot. Bonus)
Alpaca Wool: 2.52 Silver (+10% Negot. Bonus))

So - even when Alpacas take a bit more nutrition, now they even outperform Sheep in that Area.

What now is the reason to do sheep at any?

Simple math:
Sell Prices:
Sheep wool: 1.79 per Item
Wool 2.52 per Item

Grow time: the same, so i will ignore this one

So we have a difference of 0,73 Silver. Which means 40,78% more income per Item. Sheep Consume 18% less. But the amount of money i get is 40,78% more. And thats a REALLY high amount. I am not sure if 18% less consumption can compensate this.

Also if i remember correctly: Alpacas are pack animals and sheep not?

[Astasia]

Sheep are net positive in food (barely), meaning they eat less nutrition per day than they yield in meat when slaughtered, alpacas are not. Sheep also breed much faster with a shorter gestation period and the ability to produce multiple offspring, while alpaca's only ever pop out one at a time.

As far as wool, yes sheep are terrible, their wool is cheap and has awful stats. If you were to grow a field of hay and feed it to sheep, you could get more sheep wool than an equal amount of cotton grown, while also generating a decent amount of food over time. Sheep wool is better than cloth (except for heat insulation).

[☽ sissa ☽]

i only farm alpacas, bison, cows and muffalos. gives me a good variety of materials to make clothing and stuff with as well as milk and meat. sorry if not helping but :)

[Steelfleece]

Sheep also have the benefit of not spitting in your coffee while you aren't looking. Or at least, they did until now.

[The Blind One]

Alpaca gang too stronk!

Alpacas are way better animals to keep (or shepherd?) than sheep but they are also slightly harder to obtain, depending on map of course but you'll generally have access to sheep quicker from traders although this won't matter that much.

They provide higher quality and value wool and the superior camelhide leather type, they are also pretty decent pack animals and all of this for only slightly more nutritional input.

Honestly Alpacas too good. I always prefer them over sheep and while sheep breed faster it won't matter in the grand scheme of things since you'll likely end up with a big alpaca gang that can support your meat, leather and wool demands.

[The Blind One]

Best animals I've found are, in order;

Horses, best meat yield of any animal for nutritional input (aside from turtle and ibex but those are harder to maintain), I have no idea why they did that but it's true. Forget pigs, cows, boars etc you want horse meat instead as your staple meat source and can be utilized as amazing pack animals too. You can't go wrong with horses as an animal on your colony.

Cows, the second law of thermodynamics violating animal (theoretically you could turns its milk into nutrient paste and infinitely refeed them their own milk and get more milk out of it than you put in, it's magic!). They are one of the best animals in order to get fine meals using their milk as a substitute for the meat ingredient.

Chicken, they breed like chickens ... you'll believe me when you see it lol. You need about 2 laying hens per colonist to supply their daily meat intake in the form of eggs for fine meals. Setting up a egg box makes them incredibly powerful simple animals to keep as well as they require no maintenance this way and you can strategically place the egg box where they can be picked up by colonists with minimal work time. They are just amazing but dangerous if you let them grow out of control populations since they'll devour whole sections of the map with their ferocious appetite

Technically you don't need chickens if you get cows but it's nice for the variety imho. These are the three best animals to keep for food production. Kinda boring but it is what it is. These are our staple farm animals after all.

The only animal that I find a bit lacking is the pig. It honestly should be a better food source for meat imho and while it does breed faster than a horse, it doesn't quite have enough oomph to it to make it worth it.

Finally, Alpacas are a great choice for leather and wool.

Anything else you keep is either for their special fur / wool (megasloths) or just for roleplaying or convenience due to a lack of access to these other superior animals imho.

I haven't talked about hunting animals but that's a different topic.

[sooshon]

Originally posted by Steelfleece:

Sheep also have the benefit of not spitting in your coffee while you aren't looking. Or at least, they did until now.

Judging by your profile picture and username, I suspect your response may contain some bias

[brown29knight]

Originally posted by The Blind One:

Best animals I've found are, in order;

Horses, best meat yield of any animal for nutritional input (aside from turtle and ibex but those are harder to maintain), I have no idea why they did that but it's true. Forget pigs, cows, boars etc you want horse meat instead as your staple meat source and can be utilized as amazing pack animals too. You can't go wrong with horses as an animal on your colony.

Cows, the second law of thermodynamics violating animal (theoretically you could turns its milk into nutrient paste and infinitely refeed them their own milk and get more milk out of it than you put in, it's magic!). They are one of the best animals in order to get fine meals using their milk as a substitute for the meat ingredient.

Chicken, they breed like chickens ... you'll believe me when you see it lol. You need about 2 laying hens per colonist to supply their daily meat intake in the form of eggs for fine meals. Setting up a egg box makes them incredibly powerful simple animals to keep as well as they require no maintenance this way and you can strategically place the egg box where they can be picked up by colonists with minimal work time. They are just amazing but dangerous if you let them grow out of control populations since they'll devour whole sections of the map with their ferocious appetite

Technically you don't need chickens if you get cows but it's nice for the variety imho. These are the three best animals to keep for food production. Kinda boring but it is what it is. These are our staple farm animals after all.

The only animal that I find a bit lacking is the pig. It honestly should be a better food source for meat imho and while it does breed faster than a horse, it doesn't quite have enough oomph to it to make it worth it.

Finally, Alpacas are a great choice for leather and wool.

Anything else you keep is either for their special fur / wool (megasloths) or just for roleplaying or convenience due to a lack of access to these other superior animals imho.

I haven't talked about hunting animals but that's a different topic.

Pigs can eat human bodies, turning raiders into pork for your non-cannibal colonists. That's their niche in the farm animal group.

[Morkonan]

I've always preferred alpacas. These days, that's largely because I dislike 1.10. :) But, alpacas were always in my top two choices for domestication. (Especially after Muffalo milk got nerfed, though they're still a top favorite anyway. 'Cause they're muffalos...)

On cloth: I usually grow a small patch of cotton for Medicine and Cloth Tribalwear to sell. It's a decent choice to skill up a Tailor with and can be produced quickly. (I sell them using Hospitality's shop and occasionally to traders.)

[Triple G]

The good thing about alpacas is that they provide among the best hot (leather) and cold (wool) insulation for early game clothing and need little handling skill to tame. Other than that there´s - like in many other aspects of the game - one best option and the rest is for roleplay. The best option would be the horse. And i personally do two kinds of animals in every colony for roleplay reasons. Now in the jungle it´s elephants and chinchillas. But horses give You the best caravan animal because of speed and carry weight, meat production and enough leather to get masterwork armchairs in the same color for every spot, while You always have like 1k leather in stock with like 8 adult horses. Combine it with bisons which give like 145 wool, and the same leather than the horse - and You can craft formal vests - or whatever You like to sell - all day long, so Your production specialist always has something to do (200 work for 45 leather) till You get advanced components, at which point You need multiple crafters anyway and Your main one is definitely level 20.

You need a lot of alpacas with their 45 wool or leather to achieve the same, and after You outfitted everyone with some clothing You would switch to any kind of leather or devilstrand for clothing anyway - and use wool or cloth for armchairs and the like for the color You like, or stuff to sell, because the worst leather is better than the best wool for protection - and money is never a problem in any colony i played so far.

Even if i give my pawns every second day some ambrosia i usually have like 500 in stock after a year, which translates into 5k or something money, who needs silver? Or later with the long range scanner You get 150 components for a three days trip with two drill arms, and when You wait till they found two - You have 300, which last for a while... I would need to actively avoid harvesting the free stuff to have money problems - without selling drugs. And when i do the human leather dusters on top of the normal crafting, no trader has enough money to buy them all and my storage runs out of space, so i don´t do it any more - or i transport pod gift them away for like +60 relations, which means i gave them 30k in items just to empty my storage a bit.

And except for the stuff which You can´t produce for Yourself - the traders rarely have something interesting to buy. It would be different if they would offer more masterwork or legendary gear. But usually they offer normal or good stuff - occasionally excellent. Like any mediocre crafter could do it, too.

Ye. :o)

[Henry of Skalitz]

Yea sheep are pretty much not worth it when you put them against an alpaca. You can also find alpacas much easier than sheep, since they spawn in the wild in warm biomes, whereas sheep can only be bought.

Oh yea, and alpacas can carry stuff in a caravan. Sheep cannot.

[Triple G]

Yes - alpacas can carry like 90 steel in a caravan. Or 2 armchairs. Or like 15 dusters. If You have a couple of alpacas and colonists on caravans constantly, and they´re faster than the guys producing the stuff, they´re probably worth it as pack animals, while the colonists can carry almost as much as alpacas...

Sheep make the less annoying sound, if they´re not on a caravan though...

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by 🅶 I|I Kael π:

What now is the reason to do sheep at any?

Sheep are cuter.

[The Blind One]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

Sheep are cuter.

Pure heresy

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by The Blind One:

Pure heresy

Open your mind to the truth and accept your lord and savior, Sheep.

Also, there are no alpaca puns. ("Ewe? No, you!")

[Morkonan]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

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Also, there are no alpaca puns. ("Ewe? No, you!")

How many packs could an alpaca pack if an alpaca could pack packs?