RimSort or RimPy, which one should be used nowadays?

[Nico]

Well, hello! As many of you know, RimWorld modding nowadays has become huge! And many of us use RimPy to manage our mods because... well, RimWorld base Mod Manager isn't all that good! However, RimPy has been abandoned for a while and an alternative which is open source, called RimSort, has recently been gaining popularity!

Now, I am not here to argue which one is better as I am not really knowledgeable enough in favor of one or the other, I am just here to ask which one I should be using! Should I use old reliable RimPy which I've used practically all my time or should I finally do the switch to RimSort? The main advantage of RimSort seems to be it's database, which seems to be up to date.

[bliznots]

So much time spent when you could just try both. bye

[Astasia]

The RimPy "database" has been mostly useless always, RimPy by default understands prerequisites and can order things correctly based on that, and mod order for basically anything else doesn't really matter because of the way RimWorld loads mods and delays patching. As long as a mod defines the correct prerequisite then RimPy is going to sort it correctly even if it says it's not in the database. There are very few exceptions to this, and none I can recall and list offhand.

I see no reason to switch away from RimPy, it works perfectly fine for me and is what I have installed and am used to using, so I'm not going to bother looking into and figuring out something new. RimSort might be fine, and might be worth grabbing if you don't have RimPy yet, but I can't imagine it being worth taking extra steps for.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Astasia:

The RimPy "database" has been mostly useless always, RimPy by default understands prerequisites and can order things correctly based on that, and mod order for basically anything else doesn't really matter because of the way RimWorld loads mods and delays patching. As long as a mod defines the correct prerequisite then RimPy is going to sort it correctly even if it says it's not in the database. There are very few exceptions to this, and none I can recall and list offhand.

I see no reason to switch away from RimPy, it works perfectly fine for me and is what I have installed and am used to using, so I'm not going to bother looking into and figuring out something new. RimSort might be fine, and might be worth grabbing if you don't have RimPy yet, but I can't imagine it being worth taking extra steps for.

Thanks for the answer, bro! Take some points!

[l0v3rm4n69420]

I thought mod order mattered more. I am relatively new to modding and PC but for my first time i decided to go relatively small with only 120~ mods (shaved down to 102) and when first loaded the mods just using rimworlds auto sort mod order, it crashed and wasnt able to load the game without crashing, but after hand ordering the mods it worked. Given this, i was under the impression that mod order was fairly important.
That said, being new to modding is it worth it to get a mod manager?

[Nico]

Originally posted by l0v3rm4n69420:

I thought mod order mattered more. I am relatively new to modding and PC but for my first time i decided to go relatively small with only 120~ mods (shaved down to 102) and when first loaded the mods just using rimworlds auto sort mod order, it crashed and wasnt able to load the game without crashing, but after hand ordering the mods it worked. Given this, i was under the impression that mod order was fairly important.
That said, being new to modding is it worth it to get a mod manager?

Well, I am have a bit of experience on RimWorld (900ish~ Hours) at the time of writing this and modding in general (Fallout 4, Stardew Valley, Minecraft) and generally, Mod Managers tend to make life easier when it comes to modding at all. I'd seriously recommend for you to actually use RimPy if you are going to mod at all, I am right now playing a 217 Mod Order purely sorted with RimPy and I get no errors.

Keep in mind tho that I have a pretty powerful rig, At least for RimWorld standards, and I use a lot of performance mods, as well as a lot of compatibility patches between my mods.

[l0v3rm4n69420]

Originally posted by NicoYosh:

Originally posted by l0v3rm4n69420:

I thought mod order mattered more. I am relatively new to modding and PC but for my first time i decided to go relatively small with only 120~ mods (shaved down to 102) and when first loaded the mods just using rimworlds auto sort mod order, it crashed and wasnt able to load the game without crashing, but after hand ordering the mods it worked. Given this, i was under the impression that mod order was fairly important.
That said, being new to modding is it worth it to get a mod manager?

Well, I am have a bit of experience on RimWorld (900ish~ Hours) at the time of writing this and modding in general (Fallout 4, Stardew Valley, Minecraft) and generally, Mod Managers tend to make life easier when it comes to modding at all. I'd seriously recommend for you to actually use RimPy if you are going to mod at all, I am right now playing a 217 Mod Order purely sorted with RimPy and I get no errors.

Keep in mind tho that I have a pretty powerful rig, At least for RimWorld standards, and I use a lot of performance mods, as well as a lot of compatibility patches between my mods.

heheheheheh
im running on a 300$ 5 year old walmart laptop
but yeah ill give RimPy a try, thanks

[Nico]

Originally posted by l0v3rm4n69420:

Originally posted by NicoYosh:

Well, I am have a bit of experience on RimWorld (900ish~ Hours) at the time of writing this and modding in general (Fallout 4, Stardew Valley, Minecraft) and generally, Mod Managers tend to make life easier when it comes to modding at all. I'd seriously recommend for you to actually use RimPy if you are going to mod at all, I am right now playing a 217 Mod Order purely sorted with RimPy and I get no errors.

Keep in mind tho that I have a pretty powerful rig, At least for RimWorld standards, and I use a lot of performance mods, as well as a lot of compatibility patches between my mods.

heheheheheh
im running on a 300$ 5 year old walmart laptop
but yeah ill give RimPy a try, thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6QGjH68sFI&t=616s

Here bro, this is video has all the mods you'll need to turn RimWorld into a super smooth experience. Keep in mind that even with all these mods you'll need to make some sacrifices eventually if your rig is not all that good. Good luck in the Rim!

[Public_Enema]

I use RimPy because i have been using it for a while now. No reason to switch when it works. I find the import/export list feature handy and the ability to color code various types of mods. I don't use the auto sorting and usually try to manually sort my load order.

[Astasia]

Originally posted by l0v3rm4n69420:

I thought mod order mattered more. I am relatively new to modding and PC but for my first time i decided to go relatively small with only 120~ mods (shaved down to 102) and when first loaded the mods just using rimworlds auto sort mod order, it crashed and wasnt able to load the game without crashing, but after hand ordering the mods it worked. Given this, i was under the impression that mod order was fairly important.
That said, being new to modding is it worth it to get a mod manager?

There are really only two situations that should happen, the prerequisite for a mod was forgotten by the author, or you have a conflict. If you have a conflict, sometimes it can crash or generate a hard error one way, but "let you play" the other way, but in either case things are broken, one mod is going to be more or less taking priority and some stuff isn't going to be working as intended. Conflicts like that are pretty rare, and I would always solve the conflict rather than just reordering them so the game launches.

The main reason to use something like RimPy is simply so you can change mods outside of the game. I haven't used the in-game mod list in many years and I'm aware it has seen significant improvements since I last did, but I can't really say whether the in-game sorting is as good as RimPy's sorting. I just use RimPy so I can make changes to my modlist without launching the game multiple times, and so far the RimPy sort button has and continues to work fine for me in terms of avoiding load order errors.

As far as the RimPy database being "out of date," I don't think it really is, I think that's something handled by user uploads IIRC and I know it contains some relatively recent mods. The database typically only handles major mods like the VE stuff, or mods with issues, having a bunch of mods on your modlist report not being in the RimPy database I think just means nobody has found any reason to upload specific load rules for them.

[Steelfleece]

I still use RImpy and it works as well as it did a couple years ago.

Not every single combination of mods has been tested by anyone, so I go in assuming I'l have to do manual re-ordering. Sometimes when I single out a mod that's breaking something in-game, I've been able to make it work by trying to slot it either as high as possible (after the DLCs, for instance) or as low as possible (right at the end, before Rocketman if it's in use). I'm no programmer or master modder, but that's just something that sometimes works for me. Otherwise, as long as everything's set after its dependencies, most of the time things work.

[Dizzy Ioeuy]

RimSort, it is actually maintained. Wow, all these RimPy recs = people with modlists that likely are poised to implode.

[Sunny]

RimPy still works completely fine, and for bonus points the community around it doesn't spend their forum time insulting the people that dare to use something else.

[Dizzy Ioeuy]

Originally posted by Sunny:

RimPy still works completely fine, and for bonus points the community around it doesn't spend their forum time insulting the people that dare to use something else.

Like you just did. Yeah ok.

[Steelfleece]

Originally posted by Dizzy Ioeuy:

Originally posted by Sunny:

RimPy still works completely fine, and for bonus points the community around it doesn't spend their forum time insulting the people that dare to use something else.

Like you just did. Yeah ok.

Feeling a tad fragile?

[Mr. Steel Your Rabbit]

It depends on the socks you wear. If you wear programming socks, go with RimSort. If you wear work socks, RimPy might be more your speed.
That being said, RimSort is broken to high heaven and functions like ♥♥♥♥. Use RimPy for your mod management, use RimSort for Texture Optimization.
Didn't read anything anyone else said in this thread, guarantee they're all wrong. No, I will not subscribe to this discussion.