Goose is better than a chicken.

[The Blind One]

Not sure if this is entirely correct since I'm only going by the data files and noticed this, so someone who's played with both animals can confirm or discredit this buuuut ... Geese are objectively just better animals.

A goose lays an egg every 1.6 days compared to 2 days for a chicken. Thus a goose produces 25% more in the same time span and reproduces 25% faster as well.

Goose do require 28% more nutrition though. Hunger rate of .45 vs .35 for a chicken. However as just noted, they produce eggs at nearly the same rate per nutrition input so they are more compact egg producers essentially with only a ~3% nutrition loss.

But here's the best part. Goose grow up at least twice the size of a chicken in the same time period (18 days) meaning you will get twice the meat from it for much less nutritional input but unlike chickens who yield no leather or birdskin you will also get birdskin from geese. Thus twice the meat yield and some textile as well for the same input. Geese are also slightly faster and tougher in terms of health and combat power making them more survivable creatures during raids.

Pros:
> 25% more eggs for only 3% nutritonal loss per input
> 25% faster reproduction rate
> 110% more meat + birdskin textile (vs no textile)
> More survivability

Cons:
> More wild

Never thought Geese outproduced chickens in terms of egg and meat production, the guy who coded that must have had a few eggs scrambled in his head.

[Kasa]

Except bird skin is a terrible material and your wasting even more food then you would with chickens, yet also still increases your wealth factor triggering bigger raids.

Vegetarian fine meals only require .75 nutrition to make now so unless your trying to make lavish meals there is no point to raising chickens or goose for meat / eggs.
Unless your just doing for fun because then it doesn't matter at all.

[gimmethegepgun]

Another con: geese take longer to become juveniles (16 days vs 7.2), and thus overall more time to become adults (32 days vs 23.2)

Also the wildness means there's a rather significant increase to the amount of maintenance you need to do. Chickens you can just forget about and just feed them and grab the eggs, whereas geese will need training every few days.

[The Blind One]

Oh no you're absolutely right. Chickens and even Geese are still to an extent complete trash animals to keep for production on your rimfarm, that remains a fact. Just in regards to each other, geese is far superior to chickens as a contest solely between those two. You ideally don't want to keep either but if you had to pick between 1 or the other ... geese.

Fowl are still terrible to keep though as they eat out your entire grazing area in 3 minutes flat especially if you allow them to multiply. Better to keep cows who break the laws of thermodynamics in terms of nutrition production lol.

P.S
No the files say that both geese and chickens age at the same rate and are mature at 0.3 years of age or roughly 18 days (rim wiki confirms this as well). Not sure how you got to 32 days?

[Kasa]

Cows also are still not worth it, they don't produce enough nutrition to compensate for the work effort to raise and house them
With the new mods allowing for the pure vegetarian fine meal of .75 the .90 they produce is not enough to cover their upkeep as the food you need to feed them and the land you lose to house them could go towards growing more corn that can feed all your pawns.

[The Blind One]

Originally posted by Kasa:

Cows also are still not worth it, they don't produce enough nutrition to compensate for the work effort to raise and house them
With the new mods allowing for the pure vegetarian fine meal of .75 the .90 they produce is not enough to cover their upkeep as the food you need to feed them and the land you lose to house them could go towards growing more corn that can feed all your pawns.

That's true in real life as well. The input costs for meat are vastly higher than for vegetarian diets. All that land used for animal meat production could be used to produce more plant matter but most people prefer to eat a little steak along side that corn cob like myself.

I herd animals for roleplay in this game, not nearly as much for economic benefit.

[Kasa]

And that's a 100% perfectly good reason to do so XD

[Dracupuncture]

yep RP is why I have 16 ducks and 6 yaks roaming about

[gimmethegepgun]

Originally posted by The Blind One:

P.S
No the files say that both geese and chickens age at the same rate and are mature at 0.3 years of age or roughly 18 days (rim wiki confirms this as well). Not sure how you got to 32 days?

My bad. I misread what's on the rimworld wiki. I guess it means that they don't have a juvenile stage like Chickens do. Also I accidentally used 16/32 instead of 18/36.

[Dizzy Ioeuy]

Literally unplayable! This MUST be fixed! Chickens > Geese!

[The Blind One]

Originally posted by Dizzy Ioeuy:

Literally unplayable! This MUST be fixed! Chickens > Geese!

Already working on it!

Kinda trying to figure out where to put the balance though.

Chickens have 0.35 hunger rate right now ... to put in perspective a cow has a hunger rate of 0.85 ... yes that means just 2 and a little less than a half chicken eat as much feed as an entire cow. Cows are ironically in rimworld ... the most nutrition efficient animal ... contrary to reality where they are nutrition hogs in terms of farming competitiveness with other animals such as chickens, goats and pigs. Cows in the game are literally half a dozen times BETTER in terms of output for what you put in vs chickens. This is of course ridiculous! Chickens should reign supreme! All hail the fried chicken!

Same for unbalanced geese. Geese lay about 50 eggs in a year in real life vs chickens up to 300. But in Rimworld geese lay MORE eggs than chickens ... insanity I tell you!

I'm thinking of dividing the chicken hunger rate by 5. Means you can have roughly 12.5 chickens per cow running around lol. Also makes them more efficient in terms of nutrition production compared to cows and doesn't make them eat out your entire hay reserves over the winter.

Probably gonne have to rebalance all the smaller critters. Yup I shall do this. I finally figured out how to patch this stuff without breaking the original files.

[Dizzy Ioeuy]

oh... fried chicken sounds sooooo goooooo right now! omg...

[Kasa]

on a slightly off topic amusing enough this is also true in dwarf fortress, geese are the better pick over chickens for bird raising XD

[Astasia]

Originally posted by The Blind One:

A goose lays an egg every 1.6 days compared to 2 days for a chicken. Thus a goose produces 25% more in the same time span and reproduces 25% faster as well.

Goose do require 28% more nutrition though. Hunger rate of .45 vs .35 for a chicken.

So you are saying Chickens are more efficient at laying eggs by 3%, in addition to requiring no tameness maintenance?

Goose: One egg per 0.72 nutrition. 0.45*1.6
Chicken: One egg per 0.70 nutrition. 0.35*2

The difference in meat yield is about 0.055 nutrition per day. 36 meat per 18 days compared to 16 meat per 18 days, so 20 extra meat per 18 days, 1.11 per day, 0.055 nutrition per day. The geese are likely going to consume more than that in taming maintenance.

Edit: Forgot to go over the reproduction rate, even though it's tied directly to the numbers above. The population you can support is in part based on the nutrition eaten per day, because chickens eat 28% less you can have 28% more of them meaning they are laying eggs 3% faster and potentially reproducing 3% faster. You can support hundreds of chickens with grazing, which is vital for it to be at all worthwhile in 1.3, the limit for geese is probably going to be more based on your animal handlers as keeping that many animals with that much wildness tame is going to be a lot of work.