Dog vs Wolves

[Tam]

Which one ?
Wolves are much better fighters, can haul, eat less.
The downside is harder training and can not guard any random pawn.

Meanwhile dogs eat like trucks, making bonds and die quick, but easy to be set on guard for a random medic with 0 animal skills.
Also diet, dogs eat all crap except grass, wolves meat and kibble (additional work).

I assume with mods like DogSaid dogs become op due to all these bionic jaws for 9 dps ?
But without mods wolves are better ?

[Astasia]

Wolves will eat meals including ones made out of all veges, you don't need to make them kibble. They also tend to hunt small animals on their own, so you don't even need to feed them anything if you don't have a huge number of them.

I don't think I would ever use dogs, they just eat too much food for a weaker animal. Most games you don't really have a choice anyway, wolves just show up on most maps and you tame them. Many games you will never see a husky being sold by a trader for the entire playthrough. If you go out of your way visiting settlements though you might have better luck.

[Tam]

Astasia původně napsal:

Wolves will eat meals including ones made out of all veges, you don't need to make them kibble. They also tend to hunt small animals on their own, so you don't even need to feed them anything if you don't have a huge number of them.

I don't think I would ever use dogs, they just eat too much food for a weaker animal. Most games you don't really have a choice anyway, wolves just show up on most maps and you tame them. Many games you will never see a husky being sold by a trader for the entire playthrough. If you go out of your way visiting settlements though you might have better luck.

Are huskies better than retrievers in general ?

[Astasia]

If you want them to fight anything yes. Huskies are sort of borderline combat capable. Labs are a pretty big step down. Huskies also have better temperature tolerance. They do eat a lot more than labs though. A husky eats like 3 times as much as a wolf, a lab eats like twice as much as a wolf, so if you just want the hauling and not the combat labs would usually be the better choice of dog.

[Tam]

Also, is there some info about training skill needed for that particular animal ?
I've seen that has been mentioned during taming button, but can not find any info in wiki or in pet window before I buy it.

[Astasia]

Minimum handling skill is listed under their diet in the animal's information window, near the bottom of the "Basics" section.

[glass zebra]

Wolves are wilder, have a higher filth rate and do not nuzzle in comparison to the other two.
Huskies eat more than a Labrador and can survive coldness better.
Labradors are a bit worse at combat than the other 2 and have the most litter.

Wolves are pretty good if you don't care about the extra filth, non-nuzzling and higher handling and skill need. They are also the best for combat.
Huskies are a bit more combat capable than Labradors while eating and theoretically carrying more, but they are close to each other for the most part except temperature bonus for huskies and economy for Labradors.

If you want dedicated haulers and pets, the Labradors can be the best, but they are not that different. Huskies do about 10% higher dps and have a tiny bit more hp, but their most noticeable bonus is probably the -50°C lower boundary over the -30°C.
Wolves deal a bit less than 20% more dps than huskies and eat so much less than the other 2.

Astasia původně napsal:

If you want them to fight anything yes. Huskies are sort of borderline combat capable. Labs are a pretty big step down.

I think it was more like that in the past. Now their difference is very small.

[Tam]

Thanks for info guys. decided to stay on dogs cause low skill trainers.

[Tam]

Yeah actually here is a problem with colonists traveling across the map to train 7/8 hauling doggo, doggo with a chunk in its teeth ignoring the colonist on its way most of the time, so the last one has to run back and forth in attempt to catch that dog >.>

[glass zebra]

Tamm původně napsal:

Yeah actually here is a problem with colonists traveling across the map to train 7/8 hauling doggo, doggo with a chunk in its teeth ignoring the colonist on its way most of the time, so the last one has to run back and forth in attempt to catch that dog >.>

High movement speed is pretty important for animal trainers and global workspeed is not. Animals have a fair bit of downtime each day and are idling around often. Afaik pawns will still go to the closest animal to train them instead of e.g. the one with the currently most deteriorated skill, so these cases should be rather rare still. On top of that dogs lose training like every 10 days(?) or so, which makes it even more rarer.

I do like hauling dryads because of stuff like this though. You can make their zone unrestricted and the pawn "training them" restricted to home zone and it will still work without a problem. You can do the same thing with dogs though without causing much issue. They will not get trained if they idle around outside, but seeing how it takes like a year or so on average to lose the hauling skill completely, this can work well. No idea how to do it when you have your animal trainer unrestricted to tame wild stuff, but those cases should still be rare, yet training animals which can run over the entire map will of cause always take leg work.

[Mantis Toboggan]

I think I have a vanilla expanded mod that allows you to make sausage. My wargs and other carnivorous animals eat the sausage and you get a little more sausage out than you put raw meat in. I think. It usually works though because I always have sausage lying around because my pawns usually tend to cook meals with normal raw meat first.

[Cultist]

If you were forced to depend on actually raising animals I would say dogs, but because wolves just spawn in endlessly, it's very little effort to simply tame wild ones when you want to expand the population. Make sure the tamer has backup though, or it will end badly eventually.
With that said, wargs are probably the best animal you can tame and they require about the same amount of pawn time invested as a wolf. Bear tanks are also good, but they eat a lot.