ideology role and noble apparel requirement

[MiguelCairo]

I'm guessing these may conflict? Like if my ideology leader needs a different apparel than the noble requirements? any way to avoid this? like having one overide the other?

[Tidal Resonance]

The noble requirement overrides the ideology role one. If you have a top hat or a ladies hat, that can replace the requirement for other headgear, for instance. As long as you meet the noble requirements, the pawn will not get mood penalties. This should help if you need to put a helmet or armor on the colony leader, but they want to wear some non-armor item. Just use prestige armor in that case.

[MiguelCairo]

cool, good to know! thanks

[Tidal Resonance]

To clarify slightly, the royal title disables the apparel requirements of ideological roles. The pawn just wants title appropriate clothing or armor at that point.

[ichifish]

I haven’t been paying close attention, but it seems like something weird is happening with the apparel requirements.

Pre-ideology I’d outfit my nobles as follows in order to meet the requirements:
Prestige helmet
Prestige armor
Eltex or formal shirt

In my ideology run the noble was satisfied with:
Prestige helmet
Duster, then locust armor (not prestige)
Formal shirt

So were dusters/locust always allowed, did something change, or did I miss something completely?

[glass zebra]

Originally posted by ichifish:

I haven’t been paying close attention, but it seems like something weird is happening with the apparel requirements.

Pre-ideology I’d outfit my nobles as follows in order to meet the requirements:
Prestige helmet
Prestige armor
Eltex or formal shirt

In my ideology run the noble was satisfied with:
Prestige helmet
Duster, then locust armor (not prestige)
Formal shirt

So were dusters/locust always allowed, did something change, or did I miss something completely?

It's basically always: a hat + something on torso. The shirt is enough and nothing above required. A cape (basically a complexer duster) would also work instead of the shirt.

[Tidal Resonance]

A minor observation here, but I noticed that non-noble ascetics still want ideologically required apparel. However, if they become a noble then this requirement is deactivated and they do not need noble apparel either because they are ascetic.

[ichifish]

Originally posted by glass zebra:

Originally posted by ichifish:

I haven’t been paying close attention, but it seems like something weird is happening with the apparel requirements.

Pre-ideology I’d outfit my nobles as follows in order to meet the requirements:
Prestige helmet
Prestige armor
Eltex or formal shirt

In my ideology run the noble was satisfied with:
Prestige helmet
Duster, then locust armor (not prestige)
Formal shirt

So were dusters/locust always allowed, did something change, or did I miss something completely?

It's basically always: a hat + something on torso. The shirt is enough and nothing above required. A cape (basically a complexer duster) would also work instead of the shirt.

Huh. I always thought nobles had to have the proper item in whatever slot was available, not just one item. I wonder if that was the original Royalty mechanic and I didn’t notice the change.

Looks like I can ditch the formal shirts, then!

[glass zebra]

Originally posted by ichifish:

Huh. I always thought nobles had to have the proper item in whatever slot was available, not just one item. I wonder if that was the original Royalty mechanic and I didn’t notice the change.

Looks like I can ditch the formal shirts, then!

Can't really remember how it was pre Ideology since there wasn't really an outer layer torso thing for royals until the very end, so there wasn't much choice at the start and I never rushed robes to find out. Since Ideology has capes now, you have a choice without the need to research anything at all. And capes are actually good to.

[Jaggid Edje]

If the royal sees a lot of combat, don't forget about the prestige armors. It's what I wear with both of the noble pawns in my current game. No need to wear any special clothing, a prestige armor helmet and torso piece fulfill them even for the highest rank.

Edit to add: And easy to get, the Empire trader pretty much always has some for sale, at least in my game.

[glass zebra]

Originally posted by Jaggid Edje:

If the royal sees a lot of combat, don't forget about the prestige armors. It's what I wear with both of the noble pawns in my current game. No need to wear any special clothing, a prestige armor helmet and torso piece fulfill them even for the highest rank.

Edit to add: And easy to get, the Empire trader pretty much always has some for sale, at least in my game.

A flak vest + high quality cape will usually protect the torso better and can be cheaper and easier to get too. Or you just use them as full psy casters and ignore all armour and slap on a shield belt. ichifish did list the prestige armours and eltex gear, but I would not wear those all the time outside of combat.