Why there is no better jaw replacement?

[VX #2]

Currently the best one you have is denture, but it's only 80% efficiency.

All the other body parts can be replaced with bionics like the tongue and even spine.

Hell, you can even regrow fingers with biosculpting pod.

Also if you don't have a jaw you can't install venom fangs to your jaw part even with denture.

[Markus Reese]

It is one of the ponders I have too. Jaw cannot be regrown in biosculpt? Never tried myself.

[jerrypocalypse]

If nothing else, healer mech serum should work.

[RCMidas]

Essentially, the reason is so that you cannot fix everything just with bionics. A lot of stuff, but not everything.

[Markus Reese]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Essentially, the reason is so that you cannot fix everything just with bionics. A lot of stuff, but not everything.

Yeah, but from OP and player perspective, it vs an arm? Can make a bionic limb, or nuclear stomach, but not a face blender or a prettier denture? Nose and other stuff vanilla can be good enough to enhance beauty.

[Chip56]

Whats even worse with jar replacments is the following though;
Even if you mod in an archotech jar it is a big disadvante because removing the jar automatically removes the tongue of a pawn.
And a missing tongue gives you disfigured and negates all beauty bonuses that pawn has.

[jerrypocalypse]

Originally posted by twistedmelon:

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Essentially, the reason is so that you cannot fix everything just with bionics. A lot of stuff, but not everything.

Yeah, but from OP and player perspective, it vs an arm? Can make a bionic limb, or nuclear stomach, but not a face blender or a prettier denture? Nose and other stuff vanilla can be good enough to enhance beauty.

To be fair, a vast majority of games pass on some "realism" in exchange for game balance. It's not really anything exclusive to this game.

[glass zebra]

Originally posted by twistedmelon:

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Essentially, the reason is so that you cannot fix everything just with bionics. A lot of stuff, but not everything.

Yeah, but from OP and player perspective, it vs an arm? Can make a bionic limb, or nuclear stomach, but not a face blender or a prettier denture? Nose and other stuff vanilla can be good enough to enhance beauty.

Bad jaws have very little effect on gameplay as it is. The same could be said for ears and there are bionic ears but there are enough people questioning why they are even a thing. Limbs have a lot effect on gameplay and I guess the stomachs are there because people don't like food poisoning.

[Astasia]

Venom fangs are awful, so no loss there. A denture normally makes a colonist like 15% worse at social, which sucks, but the chances of a colonist getting their jaw destroyed is extremely low.

Biosculpting can't repair a destroyed jaw AFAIK.

Originally posted by Chip56:

Whats even worse with jar replacments is the following though;
Even if you mod in an archotech jar it is a big disadvante because removing the jar automatically removes the tongue of a pawn.
And a missing tongue gives you disfigured and negates all beauty bonuses that pawn has.

I would post feedback about this on the official forum if it bothers you. The tongue is a sub-part for the jaw which does sound like a bit of an oversight when factoring in the way sub-parts disappear when the parent parts are destroyed or replaced. I'm assuming having a shattered jaw or installing a denture would do the same thing, making a colonist completely incapable of talking? That can't be intended.

[gimmethegepgun]

Originally posted by glass zebra:

and I guess the stomachs are there because people don't like food poisoning.

Nuclear stomach also reduces food consumption by 75%, which is particularly useful when you want long caravan journeys.

[glass zebra]

I think the tongue thing is unintended since it's very new and just a "minor" mechanic that should not mess with things like this. The patch notes even listed "Add tongue body part. Tongue is removable via surgery, if you'd prefer someone not speak. The tongue won't be damaged in combat." source
So it getting lost without removing it by choice sounds very much unintended and a meant as a "closed" mechanic.

[Professor H. Farnsworth]

Originally posted by VX #2:

Currently the best one you have is denture, but it's only 80% efficiency.

All the other body parts can be replaced with bionics like the tongue and even spine.

Hell, you can even regrow fingers with biosculpting pod.

Also if you don't have a jaw you can't install venom fangs to your jaw part even with denture.

This is why one should play with Expanded Protesthics and Organ Engineering.

[Chip56]

Originally posted by Astasia:

I would post feedback about this on the official forum if it bothers you. The tongue is a sub-part for the jaw which does sound like a bit of an oversight when factoring in the way sub-parts disappear when the parent parts are destroyed or replaced. I'm assuming having a shattered jaw or installing a denture would do the same thing, making a colonist completely incapable of talking? That can't be intended.

Thats the interesting part and why it took me forever to even find that issue:
Its NOT showing the tongue as missing and it does allow your pawn to speak.
However i am playing with mods that add archotech jaws and i found out that for some reason my pawns all had a disfigured social penalty to each other and were missing the bonus from beautifull.

[VX #2]

Originally posted by Astasia:

Venom fangs are awful, so no loss there. A denture normally makes a colonist like 15% worse at social, which sucks, but the chances of a colonist getting their jaw destroyed is extremely low.

Falling roof tends to destroy jaw from my experience.

[Markus Reese]

Originally posted by jerrypocalypse:

Originally posted by twistedmelon:

Yeah, but from OP and player perspective, it vs an arm? Can make a bionic limb, or nuclear stomach, but not a face blender or a prettier denture? Nose and other stuff vanilla can be good enough to enhance beauty.

To be fair, a vast majority of games pass on some "realism" in exchange for game balance. It's not really anything exclusive to this game.

In the case of the jaw, from the play experience it is less about realism, but more about it just seeming like something is missing. Not even from the performance side because most people don't really notice or care about how long it takes a pawn to eat unless it is the jawless destroyed stomach pawn with food poisoning or something. Like the missing nose, players more often just do it because they can. So not having that up tiered jaw just feels like something is missing from the game.