Mod troubles with the new 1.5 updated Medieval Overhaul

[groundmace208]

Hey there guys, thanks for looking at my post. Now let me start with this. I have a ungodly amount of mods(maybe over 200??), and I sadly don't have Rimpy yet. I've been doing a Medieval Overhaul Unofficial play through and, while the game is playable(only barely), I can't access the Draft button, all of my abilities with my character[like xenotype abilities and paycasts(I'm playing with psycasts expanded)and other abilities], and the information screen. When I press the white I for the info, I get the gray screen but I don't get any of the text. I know this is a mod issue with the sheer amounts of mods I have, so please tell me which ones are affecting it. I got all of these from Mr SamuelStreamer, and RatKnight, so shout-out those two I guess.

Here are the mods I have because I've been yapping a little too much.

Harmony(Of course)

All of the vanilla expanded mods except for: the ones that haven't been updated yet, Winston Waves because it's incompatible with Rim War, Weapons Expanded(Coilguns, Frontier, Heavy Weapons, Laser, and QuickDraw), but I do have 3 unupdated mods, Vanilla Factions Expanded Core and Medieval, and Maynard Medieval.

Vanilla Taxidermy

Vanilla Textures Expanded - [NL] Facial Animations

Vanilla Beards Retextured

Vehicle Framework

Auto-Cut Blight

JecsTools

Ancient hydroponic farm facilities + Ancient mining industry

Animal Hoods

Animal Hide Walls + Carpets(Continued)

BoomMod

Blueprints by Fluffy

Blowguns(Continued)

Biotech Expansion(Core, Mythic, Mammalia, Insectoid)

Bionic icons

Geological Landforms

Biome Transitions

Better Explosions

Bad to the Bone(adds bad to the bone sound effect when extracting a skull)

HugsLib

Animal Gear

Anima Gear

[FSF] Filth Vanishes With Rain And Time

Alpha Mods[Prefabs, Vehicles(Neolithic and Age of Sail), Props(Ship Parts and Parks and Gardens), Mythology, Memes, Mechs, Animals, Biomes, and Genes]

Amnabi's Flags (Continued)

Allow Tool

Achtung!

A RimWorld of Magic(never had any problems with this before)

Uncle Boris' - Brainwash Chair

[SYR] Processor Framework

Medieval drug lab

Pick Up And Haul

Hospitality

Megafauna

XML Extensions

Humanoid Alien Races

Snap Out!

Medieval Overhaul(1.5 Unofficial Update)

Medieval Overhaul: Toggleable Stuff

[FSF] mods: Complex Jobs, Better Camp Loot, Better Ancient Complex Loot, Better Anomaly Loot, Indoor Tree Farms, More Quests

RimHud

Camera+

Camping Tent

Caravan Adventures

Character Editor

CM Color Coded Mood Bar[1.1+]

Common Sense

Crusaders Faction(Continued) by Mlie

Days Matter (fork)

Designator Shapes

Doors Expanded

Dragons Descent

Drugs+ (Continued)

Dubs Mint Menus

Dubs Mint Minimap

Dubs Skylights

EBSG Framework

EBSG - Anomaly Genes

EdB Prepare Carefully

Elders Faction

Empire(sadly not updated yet)

Faction Customizer by Karmgahl

Fahrenheit and Celsius

Fallout Drinks

Flags and Banners (Canons Expansion)

Flags and Banners (Continued)

Fortifications - Neolithic

Fort's Insectoid Armor(not updated yet)

Gloomy Furniture

Go Explore!

Horse Breeds - Skin Variations

Hunting Squad

Increased Stack

Industrial Age - Objects and Furniture (Continued)

Integrated Genes

Interaction Bubbles

Jecs Tobacco and Cigarettes (Continued)

Leather Armor by joe_the_tech(also not updated)

Map Designer

Map Preview

Medieval Medicines by Nunahur Al-Shamikh

More Medieval Helms and Armor

Morphs Assorted: Hairs

Mud's Tribal Apparel

My Little Planet

Natural Paths
Natural Farms
Natural Lakes

No Bugs in Tequila

OgreStack

Performance Optimizer

P-Music

Post-apocalyptic Shelters

Quarry

Prison Labor

Production reskin HD

RenameColony(not updated, get on it please sir Weilbyte)

Rim of Madness - Bones

Rim War

RimCities

RimRaces: Caerulean Race, Cruttun Race, Grodan Race, and Xotan Race

RocketMan - Preformance Mod

RunAndGun

Simple Checklist

Simple sidearms

Simple Warrants

Smokeleaf Industry Reborn

Star Wars Races

Tech Advancing

Tech Tatoos

The Joris Experience

Thrumbo Leather Tree + Weapons (Continued)

Thrumboian Race(not updated)

Trading Options

Tribal Crib

Tribal Tatoos

Victorian Era Apparels!

Visit Settlements

War on Drug

Warcaskets can work!

While You're Up(with add-on for PUAH)

WorldEdit 2.0

World Map Beutification Project(not updated)

Psykshroom

[SR] Factional War Continued

Don't Block Door(not updated :(

DevDesigner Elves(not updated)

RimFantasy: Medieval Overhaul Edition

DevDesigner House Sanguin(not updated)

Ancient Armory

Medieval Fantasy Themed Quest Rewards

RimFantasy: House Doyle

RimTraits: Medieval Talents

Rimworld - Witcher Monster Hunt(not updated)

RPG Traits+

Biomes! Core

El's Tribal Water

Advanced Tribal Cooler

Anima Bionics - Forked

Architect Icons

Biomes! Caverns

Blood Animations

Bunk Beds

Bunk Beds Medieval Retexture

Adaptive Storage Framework

Medieval Overhaul - Adaptive Storage Graphic Patch

Entosomnia - Medieval Cryptosleep

Medieval Go-juice

Medieval Overhaul: Barbarians

Misc. Training Medieval Retexture

FSharp.Core

ANDH - Animals Nuzzling Detects Horrors

RimThemes

Basic RimThemes Recolours by MrSamuelStreamer

Character Editor Retextured

Defensive Positions

Det's Xenotypes - Stoneborn

Extra Explosion Effects

Faster Relic Subquests

Grimoires by LTS

Level Up!

Mad Skills+

Peer Pressure

Persistent Precepts

Recubes Your Cube

[NL] Facial Animation - WIP

Reel's Facial Animation Textures

Roo's Birthmarks and Blemishes

Float Sub-Menus(I think this might be causing some problems but I'm not sure)

Scenario Searchbars

Searchable Menus

Settlement quests

T's Seal the Spirits

T's Wild Child Rags

Ushankas Biological Warfare

What's That Mod by Epicguru (James B)

Wololoo - Better Conversion and Recruitment

And last but not least...
Yayo's Animation (Continued)



Thanks for looking at all of these(hopefully)! I hope you can go down in the comments and give me an answer. Thanks and have a good day, night, or afternoon.

Edit: I am only looking for real and positive answers. Thanks for your consideration.

[Khan Boyzitbig of Mercia]

Multiple unupdated mods, prepare carefully and character editor... not too surprised you have issues.

[groundmace208]

Originally posted by Khan Boyzitbig of Mercia:

Multiple unupdated mods, prepare carefully and character editor... not too surprised you have issues.

Thank you for your response, however I am only looking for respectful answers as I have little knowledge about which mods commonly have issues. Thank you and have a good day.

[Choosechee]

Okay, I'm going to try and say this politely, and I'm sorry if it still comes off as rude. When you make a very large mod list, you need to be aware of problematic mods and potential incompatibilities. Even if you know what you're doing, it's unlikely a 100+ long mod list will work first try. Large mod lists from creators are well-known to be very unlikely to work for others (I'm not sure why this is the case actually. Does it not save the order?) I heavily recommend that you cut down on your mods, as that is the best way to run into less issues. Regardless of that, there are a few ways you can troubleshoot or improve the quality of your mod list:

Using a mod sorter. RimPy used to be the go-to, but the creator has been inactive for a while now. I've heard some good and bad things about RimSort, but it's probably worth a shot.

Check your logs. This can notify you of things that are wrong. The easiest way to check is a button that opens it that's at the top when dev mode is enabled. There are also mods that can tell you what mods are causing the errors, which is very useful.

The binary search method. Basically, you remove half of your mods from the list, then try to start a new game and see if you still have problems. If you do, the problem is with a mod or set of mods in this half of the list. If you don't, the problem is in the other half of the list. Then, you remove half of the mods from the half with the problems, and repeat the process until you find the issue.

I hope this helps you with your problems.

[brian_va]

Originally posted by groundmace208:

Originally posted by Khan Boyzitbig of Mercia:

Multiple unupdated mods, prepare carefully and character editor... not too surprised you have issues.

Thank you for your response, however I am only looking for respectful answers as I have little knowledge about which mods commonly have issues. Thank you and have a good day.

prepare carefully is known to break saves, it shouldn't be used. yes, it "works" in the immediate gratification sense, but long term its a cancer on your save file, causing a slow, miserable, painful, agonizing death. was that respectful enough?

[Steelfleece]

I'd advise against using VFE: Medieval or Vikings in 1.5, as they may cause issues. Hopefully the replacement mod will be out soonish.

I'd also advise against using Prepare Carefully as it's... somewhat buggy, and has been for a while. If you have Character Editor, it'll fill in even if I did like PC's interface more.

Further, you got this mod list from two separate individuals? Was it two lists you combined, or did they work on this list together? And did they provide the mod loading order?

[groundmace208]

Originally posted by brian_va:

Originally posted by groundmace208:

Thank you for your response, however I am only looking for respectful answers as I have little knowledge about which mods commonly have issues. Thank you and have a good day.

prepare carefully is known to break saves, it shouldn't be used. yes, it "works" in the immediate gratification sense, but long term its a cancer on your save file, causing a slow, miserable, painful, agonizing death. was that respectful enough?

Thanks!

[groundmace208]

Originally posted by Steelfleece:

I'd advise against using VFE: Medieval or Vikings in 1.5, as they may cause issues. Hopefully the replacement mod will be out soonish.

I'd also advise against using Prepare Carefully as it's... somewhat buggy, and has been for a while. If you have Character Editor, it'll fill in even if I did like PC's interface more.

Further, you got this mod list from two separate individuals? Was it two lists you combined, or did they work on this list together? And did they provide the mod loading order?

1. I just saw Oskar talking about VFE: Medieval and Vikings, he will be coming out with a brand new mod that combines the two and the Witcher Monster Hunt one I have. It’s coming out after he does the new Insectoid overhaul.

2. I probably should rephrase it like this: MrSamuelStreamer was where I got the majority of my mods from, I also got the mods from a VE mod list by Oskar and I also have a fair amount of mods I found on my own.

3. I don’t know if they did, but checking every mod and seeing their load list would create 2 problems.
A. They might differentiate
B. It would take hours

[groundmace208]

Originally posted by Choosechee:

Okay, I'm going to try and say this politely, and I'm sorry if it still comes off as rude. When you make a very large mod list, you need to be aware of problematic mods and potential incompatibilities. Even if you know what you're doing, it's unlikely a 100+ long mod list will work first try. Large mod lists from creators are well-known to be very unlikely to work for others (I'm not sure why this is the case actually. Does it not save the order?) I heavily recommend that you cut down on your mods, as that is the best way to run into less issues. Regardless of that, there are a few ways you can troubleshoot or improve the quality of your mod list:

Using a mod sorter. RimPy used to be the go-to, but the creator has been inactive for a while now. I've heard some good and bad things about RimSort, but it's probably worth a shot.

Check your logs. This can notify you of things that are wrong. The easiest way to check is a button that opens it that's at the top when dev mode is enabled. There are also mods that can tell you what mods are causing the errors, which is very useful.

The binary search method. Basically, you remove half of your mods from the list, then try to start a new game and see if you still have problems. If you do, the problem is with a mod or set of mods in this half of the list. If you don't, the problem is in the other half of the list. Then, you remove half of the mods from the half with the problems, and repeat the process until you find the issue.

I hope this helps you with your problems.

Thank you so much dude, I’ll try some of the stuff. Have a good one!

[groundmace208]

Originally posted by Choosechee:

There are also mods that can tell you what mods are causing the errors, which is very useful.

Do you happen to know which mods do this function?