How to identify the heaviest mods

[Lobanych]

None of my colonies survive even until the second winter - I get mad with lags and tps not rising above 240 and I just abandon the colony
I know it's not normal and I turn off unnecessary mods whenever possible, but I still have about 80 mods in the set. This is not much, especially since most of them are small or very tiny, but something still causes big performance problems, despite the fact that there are practically no heavy mods (1 or 2, no more).
For you to understand: Tribe - 6 adult pawns, 1 baby and 3 slaves, and starting from the fall, tps does not rise above 300-340, and by that time I had only furniture and tailoring researched. In winter, tps sags a lot (not higher than 270), and in spring it completely rests on 200.
And that's with Rocketman and Dub's Performance Optimizer in mind. If you remember the vanilla game (1.2), playing with 15 pawns and a dozen prisoners, having a lot of buildings like scanners in the colony and all kinds of workbenches, lags became noticeable only by the year 3-4.

[Païtiti]

Do you use Rimpy to sort your mods?

[Lobanych]

Originally posted by Païtiti:

Do you use Rimpy to sort your mods?

1.No
2.How

[boytype]

I mean, 80 mods is a considerable amount, and above 200 tps is still pretty good for that amount of them.

There are a lot more less obvious performance enhancing mods you can load up and see if they help, but it might help more to check some of these things;
-Do you have a lot of Corpses or Graves? These add almost as much lag as a live pawn.
-Do you have a lot of animals or mechs? See above.
-Do you have a lot of outstanding build or haul orders, especially with No Storage Available / No Materials Available messages.

After checking out that, then I'd start looking at mods like No More Zzzs, Owlchemists UI overhaul and stockpile redux mods, Colony Groups colony bar with no features turned on, etc.

Also Rimpy has a feature that converts all the graphics for mods and dlc into a new format that increases the speed of the game a lot and decreases memory usage noticeably. The "sort" function is basically useless as far as I have seen, and doesn't even do as good a job as the in-game updated mod menu. I don't have much use for Rimpy otherwise, but this function alone is worth the install.

[Lobanych]

Originally posted by boytype:

I mean, 80 mods is a considerable amount, and above 200 tps is still pretty good for that amount of them.

There are a lot more less obvious performance enhancing mods you can load up and see if they help, but it might help more to check some of these things;
-Do you have a lot of Corpses or Graves? These add almost as much lag as a live pawn.
-Do you have a lot of animals or mechs? See above.
-Do you have a lot of outstanding build or haul orders, especially with No Storage Available / No Materials Available messages.

After checking out that, then I'd start looking at mods like No More Zzzs, Owlchemists UI overhaul and stockpile redux mods, Colony Groups colony bar with no features turned on, etc.

Also Rimpy has a feature that converts all the graphics for mods and dlc into a new format that increases the speed of the game a lot and decreases memory usage noticeably. I don't have much use for it otherwise, but this function alone is worth the install.

As I already wrote, most of the mods are small, and, in theory, should not eat so much performance.

[Miccus]

As no one except you knows what mods you are using, the help that can be given is kinda limited. The number of mods is less important than which mods you are using.

Have you looked at the slow mod list in Dubs mod discord for example and compared it with yours?
Are you getting any errors at startup or error spam during gameplay in the dev console?
If yes maybe there are some mods that have compability problems, that are not properly updated or sorted. Are you using rimpy to sort your mod list or are you doing it manually?

Have you looked at Dubs performance optimizer what is eating you tps? you can get help in dubs discord to identify problems.
That are just some things that come to mind that maybe could help you identify your problems

[boytype]

Originally posted by Ukrainian Cyborg Lobanych:

As I already wrote, most of the mods are small, and, in theory, should not eat so much performance.

I understand that is what you think, but your games performance obviously does not support that theory.

[Lobanych]

Originally posted by Miccus:

As no one except you knows what mods you are using, the help that can be given is kinda limited. The number of mods is less important than which mods you are using.

Have you looked at the slow mod list in Dubs mod discord for example and compared it with yours?
Are you getting any errors at startup or error spam during gameplay in the dev console?
If yes maybe there are some mods that have compability problems, that are not properly updated or sorted. Are you using rimpy to sort your mod list or are you doing it manually?

Have you looked at Dubs performance optimizer what is eating you tps? you can get help in dubs discord to identify problems.
That are just some things that come to mind that maybe could help you identify your problems

I know that feature in DPA, but i dunno how to find heavy mods with it
All the time i manually sort my modlist, and about errors, the last 3 month i don't have any errors on startup or during game

[Lobanych]

Originally posted by boytype:

Originally posted by Ukrainian Cyborg Lobanych:

As I already wrote, most of the mods are small, and, in theory, should not eat so much performance.

I understand that is what you think, but your games performance obviously does not support that theory.

Fine, let's start with RimPY.
Frist of all - how to install it? I guess it means more than just subscribe on a mod in Steam?

[Miccus]

subcribe to the rimpy mod database and download the software from github
they have tutorial videos on the steam page i think that should explain it

[Astasia]

Size of a mod doesn't really matter as far as performance goes. Something like a very tiny and simple mod that only improves pathfinding can have significant effects on performance. Generally you want to look at mods that add any sort of new AI routines or change existing ones, or mods that add new scripts that constantly run in the background. If it says it makes your colonists "smarter" it usually makes the game slower. Many QoL mods also come at the expense of worse performance, because they program in new scripts that are always running in order to help you click less or whatever.

I usually run 150-200 mods and can maintain a steady 360 TPS for many years on 325 maps. It mostly comes down to trial and error, and understanding what your mods are actually doing, then balancing what you want to use with what your system can handle.

[Lobanych]

Originally posted by Astasia:

Size of a mod doesn't really matter as far as performance goes. Something like a very tiny and simple mod that only improves pathfinding can have significant effects on performance. Generally you want to look at mods that add any sort of new AI routines or change existing ones, or mods that add new scripts that constantly run in the background. If it says it makes your colonists "smarter" it usually makes the game slower. Many QoL mods also come at the expense of worse performance, because they program in new scripts that are always running in order to help you click less or whatever.

I usually run 150-200 mods and can maintain a steady 360 TPS for many years on 325 maps. It mostly comes down to trial and error, and understanding what your mods are actually doing, then balancing what you want to use with what your system can handle.

You playing on the quantum computer??

[XelNigma]

Things to look out for is path finding mods, the more advanced the patching the more power it takes.

Do you have lots of entities on the map moving around? Movement speed is also a factor as the faster they move from time to time the more quickly the patching has to be reran.

But none of that should really come into play year one.

Maybe it's a faction mod that causes them to do things behind the scenes.

[Security Cam #7]

Use Dub's performance analyzer and use this wiki to find out what is taking up your performance:

https://github.com/Dubwise56/Dubs-Performance-Analyzer/wiki

If you have the No Water, No Life mod, that mod tremendously decreases TPS in the late game. It's a spamfest of water jobs and poorly written code. To remove it you need to manually delete all entries refering to it in your saved game, otherwise the save breaks

[Miccus]

I havent played much with 1.4 and biotech yet, but on 1.3 i had 300-400 mods active and after some years still 500 tps, but i only play with relative small colonies of 12-15 pawns at most.

I think with DPA one of the first things to check should be the "harmony patches/transpiler" and look if anything has a lot of spikes or a high mean/average or what it is called value.

If you want to add another performance mod you could add "Performance-Fish" from dubs discord or from the github page as a local mod.

[Païtiti]

Originally posted by Ukrainian Cyborg Lobanych:

Originally posted by Païtiti:

Do you use Rimpy to sort your mods?

1.No
2.How

That's your issue right there. Without RimPy how would you know how to sort your mods.

You search for Rimpy, you download it. You take 10 minutes to get familiar with it. Then you enjoy Rimworld.