Unrealistic Psychopaths

[Zubenelgenubi]

And no, it's not because they aren't all serial killers. But the game still follows some popular misconceptions.

Mainly it's how it says they gain no pleasure from social interactions, which directly contradicts modern psychology. All psychiatrists agree they cannot stand to be alone and prefer to be around people as much as possible to gain pleasure from manipulating and in some cases abusing them. They need the external validation that they are powerful and important. The idea of the psychopath as the loner is something everyone prefers to believe because they like the idea they are outside their social groups and shunned by society, when the reality that they are most often very popular is harder for them to accept.

The condition should also be paired with the jealous trait, and other things which they always have. It's not something that can exist on its own with no downsides.

[Menstruationdouloureuse]

Actually, i think the psychopaths in game does look like more "sociopath". (Unability to feel empathy, dislike social relation, etc..)

[Zubenelgenubi]

I think sociopath was invented just because no one wanted to be labeled a psychopath with all the negative connotations it has. Mainstream psychology sees them as the same thing, and whatever distinctions people try to make are pretty flakey or show they have no real understanding.

[Jackie Daytona]

I personnally never allow psychopaths in my colony. They will be euthanzied or forced to run into gunfire. what can I say i'm a hardliner.

[Mad_House]

Discussing the psychiatic diagnosis of what constitutes "psychotic" is a fruitless effort. Half of that trash is pseudoscience anyway, why do you think 11% of Americans alone are already prescribed anti-depressants?

As far as any of us legitimately need to be concerned, take a peek at some of our politicians. There, you have some real psychopaths.

[BrowneHawk]

Just check out some of the most recent pictures of Hillary. Has those crazy eyes going. Went out on a date a few months ago with a girl who had crazy eyes like that. Just ended up ghosting her. Always get rid of the crazies.

[Zubenelgenubi]

Originally posted by Surlaw:

Discussing the psychiatic diagnosis of what constitutes "psychotic" is a fruitless effort.

That's actually pretty easy. Psychotic or psychosis relates to a mental break from reality. It's different from psychopathy.

They should really use a wider variety of latin for these things.

[FragLeg]

How would this improve the game?
This software is made for entertainment, not as reference book for psychology students.

Does the description explain the in-game behavior of the character wrong?

[Mad_House]

Originally posted by Maebus:

Just check out some of the most recent pictures of Hillary. Has those crazy eyes going. Went out on a date a few months ago with a girl who had crazy eyes like that. Just ended up ghosting her. Always get rid of the crazies.

Hillary and Trump are both just peas in a pod. Both have their fair share of psychotic traits, it just so happens Hillary is only worth her weight as a politician, she has no value otherwise (not even as a wife), so the sheer need for victory is enough to draw out her wild side.

Then again, if I had billions of dollars and "experience" screwing people in government, I'd probably tell you that I too should be lord of the flies.

Originally posted by Zubenelgenubi:

Originally posted by Surlaw:

Discussing the psychiatic diagnosis of what constitutes "psychotic" is a fruitless effort.

That's actually pretty easy. Psychotic or psychosis relates to a mental break from reality. It's different from psychopathy.

They should really use a wider variety of latin for these things.

Bleh. It's all psychobabble anyway, but hey, pharma sure makes the big bucks with it!

[Zubenelgenubi]

Originally posted by Panda:

i think you're confusing psychopathy with narcissism here

Narcissism is a primary symptom of psychopathy. And why traits like jealous should be paired with the condition in game.

[Mad_House]

Wasn't narcissism scrapped from the DSM V?

[Zubenelgenubi]

Originally posted by Panda:

i think you're forgetting that they are both different disorders, psychopaths can't feel the regular emotions which people have, thus jealousy is something they can't feel

Another common misconception. Psychopaths are fully capable of what are called proto-emotions, and jealousy falls under that. While they might be different conditions the psychopathic checklist deals mainly with narcissistic qualities. It's often said psychopaths are malignant narcissists.

[PolecatEZ]

Narcissistic Personality Disorder can be co-morbid with Sociopathy or Anti-Social Personality disorder. Personality disorders, while not curable really (just "made barely functional") indicate some kind of arrested emotional development sometime in very early childhood. The brain functions for empathy and such are there, they're just twisted or completely atrophied.

True sociopathy means the brain function for empathy are completely missing. This is generally present from birth either via genetic defect or brain damage, but can also appear later in life as a result of stroke or brain damage to the frontal lobe. People in this category can have some kind of ethical code (see the "Sherlock Holmes" character in the modern series), but otherwise are incapable of feeling real emotion save for self-preservation. Often this translates into the predator effect where they see themselves as different than their fellow man - their detachment makes them the lion among the gazelles.

As for the presidential candidates: Hillary has no credible anecdotal evidence of any kind of empathy dysfunction. She's perfectly capable of normal human reaction to situations and there is plenty of evidence for this. If you research some of the more outlandish things attributed to her, you'll see the sources don't ever really pan out. If you think she's (w)itchy, that's fine, but know that she's a perfectly intelligent and psychologically stable (w)itchy person.

Trump, by contrast, shows extreme signs of classical Narcissistic Personality Disorder and probably a few more on top of that. Also probably not a true sociopath, as he craves adoration as a motivation - not something found in true sociopaths.

[Mad_House]

Originally posted by PolecatEZ:

As for the presidential candidates: Hillary has no credible anecdotal evidence of any kind of empathy dysfunction. She's perfectly capable of normal human reaction to situations and there is plenty of evidence for this. If you research some of the more outlandish things attributed to her, you'll see the sources don't ever really pan out. If you think she's (w)itchy, that's fine, but know that she's a perfectly intelligent and psychologically stable (w)itchy person.

So what source tells you she's a "perfectly intelligent and psychologically stable person," HuffPost?

[UXTX]

Originally posted by Maebus:

Just check out some of the most recent pictures of Hillary. Has those crazy eyes going. Went out on a date a few months ago with a girl who had crazy eyes like that. Just ended up ghosting her. Always get rid of the crazies.

I game to escape the endless political posts that have taken over the internet. Why you gotta drag that stanky, overdone topic into this? Post this stuff on some political news story comments or something. Let's use this place to talk about Rimworld.

[Aradia Megido]

Originally posted by Gannon:

I personnally never allow psychopaths in my colony. They will be euthanzied or forced to run into gunfire. what can I say i'm a hardliner.

They make the 8est warriors, and doctors. Thats silly what you do them, they do not harm anyone or anything, they just are far less likely to break down when ♥♥♥♥ hits the fan. Try having a doctor who has just lost her husband, 2nd son, and half of her friends try and work on the survivors of a horrific attack, yea, they'll just break and wander around letting everyone get infected.

Honestly most of taboo and "immoral" traits in this game are boons in secret. Bloodlust gives easy bonuses to soldiers, while keeping them from having any negatives from fighting. Cannibal can mean that you can always have a +12 moodlet (+20 if you do it right) on a pawn which can make or 8reak a colony.

Basically, having someone unsavory means that when the situation gets unsavory, you can still pull through it, and even benefit from it.