Hitpoints Are Odd for Walls

[McLovin']

Steel is weaker than limestone, slate, etc...whats going on?

[ambi]

Yah it's weird. In RL, people would make armor out of steel, not stone.

[McLovin']

And sandbags out of...sandstone, not steel.

[PolecatEZ]

I think sandbags should be stone and not steal...crush it and make sand/gravel you know?

Steel could make concertina wire or tank-trap style obstacles.

[GrenadesAndHamm]

Originally posted by klacoste:

Yah it's weird. In RL, people would make armor out of steel, not stone.

Stone is heavier. Steel is lighter. That's why armor is made from steel and not stone.

Stone is far more durable than steel. Steel melts. Steel will catch fire.

[Apotheotic Otter]

I always figured it like it was a cold form steel frame with a sheet metal skin; Not a solid block of metal. Makes more sense from a construction standpoint.

[BanDHMO]

Originally posted by Inpredictable:

Originally posted by klacoste:

Yah it's weird. In RL, people would make armor out of steel, not stone.

Stone is heavier. Steel is lighter. That's why armor is made from steel and not stone.

Stone is far more durable than steel. Steel melts. Steel will catch fire.

This.

Nobody build fortifications mostly out of steel in reality. It'd be too expensive and unnecessary. Instead, reinforced concrete is used, which is mostly rock with steel bars to help it not fall apart when it cracks from flexing. Also, concrete is used because it's very easy to work with. A solid granite block might actually be stronger than a concrete block of the same size, I'm not sure.

[Zorlond]

You also typically make stone walls far thicker than steel walls. When doing an entire wall from metal, you typically just use cheap sixteenth-inch thick sheet metal nailed to a wood frame, for that cheap-shed feel. But a stone wall? Start at six inches thick for residential and work up to multiple feet thick for major industrial use.

[Mistress]

Sandbags could be made from haygrass.

[Emmote]

Originally posted by Inpredictable:

Stone is far more durable than steel. Steel melts. Steel will catch fire.

Uhm, what?

Tell me, what are hammers made of? Steel. What happens when you hit a rock with a hammer. The rock breaks.

[Tekel1959]

Originally posted by Emmote:

Originally posted by Inpredictable:

Stone is far more durable than steel. Steel melts. Steel will catch fire.

Uhm, what?

Tell me, what are hammers made of? Steel. What happens when you hit a rock with a hammer. The rock breaks.

True, but we are talking walls not hammers. A rock will defeat sheet metal just as easily as a hammer will beat a rock. A steel wall will not survive two generations without paint and constant maintance, proper rock walls are still standing after centuries of neglect.

[OneJLimit]

Originally posted by McLovin':

Steel is weaker than limestone, slate, etc...whats going on?

Originally posted by klacoste:

Yah it's weird. In RL, people would make armor out of steel, not stone.

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Congrats, I'm not sure what to say to you.

[Ficelle]

Yeah, steel in this game is strange, and in my opinion, wrongly named.
Given how it melt, it is probably closer to tin.

You cant mine steel, it is either iron or some other metal, and generally, not pure at all.

Steel has to be processed, with iron and between 0.05 and 2% of coal.

[Nikke]

Originally posted by Ficelle:

Yeah, steel in this game is strange, and in my opinion, wrongly named.
Given how it melt, it is probably closer to tin.

You cant mine steel, it is either iron or some other metal, and generally, not pure at all.

Steel has to be processed, with iron and between 0.05 and 2% of coal.

It is called compacted steel, and the description says it's the remnants of an ancient civilization that used to live there. Might be a placeholder until we get proper smelting mechanics, it's early access after all.

[Emmote]

Originally posted by Tekel1959:

True, but we are talking walls not hammers. A rock will defeat sheet metal just as easily as a hammer will beat a rock. A steel wall will not survive two generations without paint and constant maintance, proper rock walls are still standing after centuries of neglect.

But in RimWorld we're not making a wall out of sheet metal. It's made 100% of Steel so it's solid.