Kids are a bad idea and heres why.

[Albatross]

First scenario- Kids are killable. This game gets banned across multiple countries for featuring sofas made out of babies.

Second scenario - Kids are not killable and therefore break immersion .

There is no win here from adding children to our favorite murder, torture, drug fueled cannibalism fest.

[Dunkler Messias]

Ever played Skyrim?

Also: Mods does exist.

[St3amfails]

meh children are just smaller meals, not seeing the problem. Way to much think of the children nonsense in the world. Thought about it, still wanna eat em. I got the rumblies in my tummy that only baby hands can fill.

[BlackArdiente]

What is the difference?

I don't understand why they have to be an exception, it's still a bunch of pixels, it's not even a graphic game.

I've been dreaming of them putting kids in this game for a long time, finally I get that, and more.

I can't be more hyped, it's my favorite indie game.

[wheeliedan]

These arguments remind me of religious people claiming non religious people can't be moral because they don't believe in a religious text with all the rules involved. If putting children in the game suddenly forces you to do horrible things to kids, your moral compass is busted. You shouldn't need a game dev to make sure you don't do bad things. Control yourself.

[schnappkatze]

I wonder, are there many (widely known) games that enable you to harm or kill innocent children? iirc it was possible in Fallout 1 or 2 (you even got a negative perk "child killer" for it I think.). Are there more, or more recent ones? Mods don't count, obviously.

It is an interesting experiment, both if the DLC will be banned in some countries, but also why this is where some people draw the line - harvesting organs and feeding prisoners to each other is ok, but harming children is not?

I hope Tynan will shed some light on it in another blog post how he thought about this, if he expects trouble coming from it etc.

[Albatross]

Originally posted by wheeliedan:

These arguments remind me of religious people claiming non religious people can't be moral because they don't believe in a religious text with all the rules involved. If putting children in the game suddenly forces you to do horrible things to kids, your moral compass is busted. You shouldn't need a game dev to make sure you don't do bad things. Control yourself.

That not even close to the point. Game already got banned temporarily in Australia for drug depictions. There can be and should be boundaries on what a game should simulate.

[wheeliedan]

Originally posted by Albatross:

Originally posted by wheeliedan:

These arguments remind me of religious people claiming non religious people can't be moral because they don't believe in a religious text with all the rules involved. If putting children in the game suddenly forces you to do horrible things to kids, your moral compass is busted. You shouldn't need a game dev to make sure you don't do bad things. Control yourself.

That not even close to the point. Game already got banned temporarily in Australia for drug depictions. There can be and should be boundaries on what a game should simulate.

You are free to not buy aka ban any game you like. Why should a single country get to define anyone's content? Should we ask North Korea for permission next?

[Maxter1o2]

Originally posted by Albatross:

Originally posted by wheeliedan:

These arguments remind me of religious people claiming non religious people can't be moral because they don't believe in a religious text with all the rules involved. If putting children in the game suddenly forces you to do horrible things to kids, your moral compass is busted. You shouldn't need a game dev to make sure you don't do bad things. Control yourself.

That not even close to the point. Game already got banned temporarily in Australia for drug depictions. There can be and should be boundaries on what a game should simulate.

ROFL

Then don't buy the DLC. If I want to make baby simple meals and make baby Dusters for my Colony I will.

[schnappkatze]

Originally posted by Albatross:

There can be and should be boundaries on what a game should simulate.

Do you think harming children should be a boundary in a video game, specifically Rimworld? Not if it will get banned, but if you find it okay. Not a rhetorical question, I am actually curious. If so, why is all the other stuff okay in our "favourite favorite murder, torture, drug fueled cannibalism fest" as you put it, but killing or harming a child isn't?

[whatamidoing]

Originally posted by schnappkatze:

I wonder, are there many (widely known) games that enable you to harm or kill innocent children? iirc it was possible in Fallout 1 or 2 (you even got a negative perk "child killer" for it I think.). Are there more, or more recent ones? Mods don't count, obviously.

The Sims comes to mind. There are some deaths that children are immune to but there's still plenty of ways you can intentionally kill them.

[MortVent]

Fallout was banned in some countries for the child killing, so the localized versions had no kids (they were still there but invisible)

And yes it's a risk, some countries have rules against certain types of violence, drug use, etc.

In China you can't have animated skeletal undead, ghosts, etc due to cultural rules. It's why WoW has a separate Chinese version with those things changed.

So yes children is a legal and regulatory concern for some countries depending on the interactions available.

[uni790]

Honestly, I think this DLC is something the game should have had from the beginning, you drop a couple of teens on a backwater planet with no adult supervision, is not gonna take them very long to start breeding, the lack of children has always felt weird to the point I've been using mods for it instead.

It'll be nice to try out the devs own ideas, but I think the modders will still do a better job with it.

[wheeliedan]

Originally posted by MortVent:

Fallout was banned in some countries for the child killing, so the localized versions had no kids (they were still there but invisible)

And yes it's a risk, some countries have rules against certain types of violence, drug use, etc.

In China you can't have animated skeletal undead, ghosts, etc due to cultural rules. It's why WoW has a separate Chinese version with those things changed.

So yes children is a legal and regulatory concern for some countries depending on the interactions available.

But that doesn't mean you should self censor the entire game world wide just to placate those regions

[Nox Tenebris]

You all are missing his point. He isn't saying that he is personally bothered by kids being in the game. He is saying that some snowflake higher ups in some countries might ban the game over this.

[Morkonan]

Originally posted by Dunkler Messias:

Ever played Skyrim?

Also: Mods does exist.

Children are invulnerable in vanilla Skryim and can not be as easily modded like the rest of the NPCs/Characters. On purpose.

Mods quickly superseded how Bethesda protected its Skyrim Children. But, Bethesda established a defensive line that is unassailable due to their action to prevent certain situations with child characters in the vanilla game.

What remains to be seen is whether or not Ludeon has prepared their walls, filled their moat, stoked the fires and readied their defenses...


IF this decision was well thought out, Ludeon will be prepared and will have put in place evidence of intent that can be used to defend them from certain accusations.

If they just yolo'd it... Well, then they'll end up being subjected to what well-run, real-world, adulting, companies have learned not to allow to happen.