RimWorld
ShuFlngPu 2022 年 3 月 8 日 下午 12:11
Per AUS gov reason for rimworld ban
Per AUS gov;
The computer game is classified RC in accordance with the National Classification Code, Computer Games Table, 1. (a) as computer games that "depict, express or otherwise deal with matters of sex, drug misuse or addiction, crime, cruelty, violence or revolting or abhorrent phenomena in such a way that they offend against the standards of morality, decency and propriety generally accepted by reasonable adults to the extent that they should not be classified."

I would think its because of Luciferium in particular. The rest are actually fairly scientific real-world use. Perhaps Go-Juice as well. The others are actually realistic based on human useage of them.
(I wouldnt count mechanites as they all heal in this game and while that isnt realistic, nobody is dying thus I doubt itd classify as "abhorrent" to most adults. Luci tho? Absolutely hits these notes.)
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ShuFlngPu 2022 年 3 月 8 日 下午 12:14 
PS: You can uhh... Also WORSHIP the dead for magical powers. xD
Astasia 2022 年 3 月 8 日 下午 3:17 
That is the general description for the RC classification, not specific to RimWorld.
Chiramu 2022 年 3 月 8 日 下午 3:30 
It's the classification board which is separate to the government mate. And our classification board is an absolute laughing stock XD.

Also, it would've been refused classification due to the cannibalism, feeding prisoners human meat, selling slaves, owning slaves, dressing slaves up in slave garb, beating slaves up, the drug use, the killing people. Just everything, and our classification board is completely stupid lol.
最後修改者:Chiramu; 2022 年 3 月 8 日 下午 3:32
Pinkeh 2022 年 3 月 8 日 下午 4:57 
That's the general description for anything Refused Classification.
Astrobia 2022 年 3 月 8 日 下午 11:38 
引用自 ShuFlngPu
I would think its because of Luciferium in particular. The rest are actually fairly scientific real-world use. Perhaps Go-Juice as well. The others are actually realistic based on human useage of them.
(I wouldnt count mechanites as they all heal in this game and while that isnt realistic, nobody is dying thus I doubt itd classify as "abhorrent" to most adults. Luci tho? Absolutely hits these notes.)

It's the opposite. It's the real world drug parallels that are the problem. Glorification of drugs is pretty much the number one of reason all these bans happen. You can't use them as incentives/rewards (making them not be perceivable as narcotics or giving them significant universal downsides is sufficient to overcome this but the current addiction system in Rimworld can be bypassed with dosage control). Make the drugs more fictional and give them downsides and you pass. Luciferium has both and would pass. Smokeleaf, psychite tea and wakeup all need work. Possibly ambrosia as well though I'd bank it being those three.

引用自 Chiramu
It's the classification board which is separate to the government mate. And our classification board is an absolute laughing stock XD.

Also lets not pretend the classification board isn't government organisation. It's a government statutory body run by members appointed by government as part of Department of Infrastructure the Transport, Regional Development and Communications to enforce Commonwealth Classification Act. It exist in it's current form due to John Howard's government and is maintained by the Liberal party who could fix it any point they felt like it.
And just to enlighten all you sorely confused American's who think the Liberal party are lefties... No. Our left leaning party if called the Labour Party. The Liberal Party is the right wing religious kowtowing party (and both are more right leaning than America's democrats really). And really should you be surprised? Who did you think was against drug use and videogames in general outside the conservatives?
最後修改者:Astrobia; 2022 年 3 月 8 日 下午 11:38
Torgranael 2022 年 3 月 9 日 上午 4:27 
The last part is kept intentionally vague. I'm surprised (and glad) they haven't banned more media.
John Webfishing 2022 年 3 月 9 日 上午 6:31 
引用自 Chiramu
It's the classification board which is separate to the government mate. And our classification board is an absolute laughing stock XD.

Also, it would've been refused classification due to the cannibalism, feeding prisoners human meat, selling slaves, owning slaves, dressing slaves up in slave garb, beating slaves up, the drug use, the killing people. Just everything, and our classification board is completely stupid lol.
all that you described is in the fallout games which are only 15+ except for the first two which are 0+
Torgranael 2022 年 3 月 16 日 上午 1:02 
The page here (https://www.classification.gov.au/about-us/media-and-news/news/media-statement-classification-game-rimworld) is from the Australian Classification Board. There are many things that could have had a weighing, but officially: "The Board considered that the depiction of drug use in the game, RimWorld, did include 'illicit or proscribed drug use related to incentives or rewards' and that therefore the Board was required to classify the game, Refused Classification."

The existence of ANY benefit counts as "illicit or proscribed drug use related to incentives or rewards" regardless of any associated detriments. No matter how bad you make the drug, even a simple "+1 happiness" indicator is viewed as promoting drug use. If there was use without a bonus, it might have gotten an R-18+ rating, or may have been flagged for something else.

There's a lot of speculation, mostly due to the vague and subjective definitions of our classifications, but officially, the totally-not-weed providing any statistical benefit is an immediate ban on it's own.
John Webfishing 2022 年 3 月 16 日 上午 1:06 
引用自 Torgranael
The page here (https://www.classification.gov.au/about-us/media-and-news/news/media-statement-classification-game-rimworld) is from the Australian Classification Board. There are many things that could have had a weighing, but officially: "The Board considered that the depiction of drug use in the game, RimWorld, did include 'illicit or proscribed drug use related to incentives or rewards' and that therefore the Board was required to classify the game, Refused Classification."

The existence of ANY benefit counts as "illicit or proscribed drug use related to incentives or rewards" regardless of any associated detriments. No matter how bad you make the drug, even a simple "+1 happiness" indicator is viewed as promoting drug use. If there was use without a bonus, it might have gotten an R-18+ rating, or may have been flagged for something else.

There's a lot of speculation, mostly due to the vague and subjective definitions of our classifications, but officially, the totally-not-weed providing any statistical benefit is an immediate ban on it's own.
Meanwhile red dead redemption 2 has consumable cocaine that can give you temporary unlimited stamina and it only has an MA15+ rating and drug use isn't listed anywhere.
Torgranael 2022 年 3 月 16 日 上午 3:01 
引用自 Scoomaloo
Meanwhile red dead redemption 2 has consumable cocaine that can give you temporary unlimited stamina and it only has an MA15+ rating and drug use isn't listed anywhere.
As I've mentioned elsewhere, there's a lot of rated games that should (by the vague standards the Board sets) be banned. It probably isn't the full reason, but it is the official reason given. I'm not sure how RDR2 flew under the radar. I'm pretty sure it would qualify, and Australia tends to have no tolerance to drugs in general, so that is odd.
John Webfishing 2022 年 3 月 16 日 上午 3:55 
引用自 Torgranael
引用自 Scoomaloo
Meanwhile red dead redemption 2 has consumable cocaine that can give you temporary unlimited stamina and it only has an MA15+ rating and drug use isn't listed anywhere.
As I've mentioned elsewhere, there's a lot of rated games that should (by the vague standards the Board sets) be banned. It probably isn't the full reason, but it is the official reason given. I'm not sure how RDR2 flew under the radar. I'm pretty sure it would qualify, and Australia tends to have no tolerance to drugs in general, so that is odd.
I think rockstar just bribed the australian classification board to turn a blind eye. Kinda sus that since the R18+ rating for games became a thing the only games that have been banned are from indie developers. I also forgot that RDR2 has a scene of implied sexual violence which is what got outlast 2 banned. Which only makes rockstar bribing the classification board more plausible. Well the acb eitheir got bribed or are hilariously incompitent at following their own classification guidelines.
最後修改者:John Webfishing; 2022 年 3 月 16 日 上午 3:56
Torgranael 2022 年 3 月 16 日 上午 4:29 
I think incompetent is more likely. Not saying bribing doesn't happen though.
psychotron666420 2022 年 3 月 16 日 上午 7:20 
引用自 Torgranael
I think incompetent is more likely. Not saying bribing doesn't happen though.

While it's true that most things can be chalked up to incompetency, with politicians in general though it's almost always corruption. When a government, especially one like Australia's is no longer held accountable by their citizens and has no oversight (as we've witnessed the last year especially), almost everything they do is corrupt.

That's why it costs a million dollars for a public art project that I could make and install for 20k and still make a huge profit relative to the work I did. Governments regularly money launder especially anything art related because it's almost impossible to account for money on something like art which is subjective.

So for sure that art corruption bleeds over into video games.
That's why red dead redemption 2 is okay in Australia when you take cocaine as a buff and can kill whoever you want, but rimworld isn't. Rockstar probably regularly has to bribe politicians for their games.
Kamui 2022 年 3 月 16 日 上午 7:40 
Dicator/totalitarian/corrupt governments do what they want.
veracsthane 2022 年 3 月 16 日 下午 2:43 
its not incompetence. i cant really talk about this without giving a lecture on history and politics too.

it can be boiled down to tolerating that which is intolerable to a sane and civil society. thats the lame mans way of explaining it. thats the upper limit of what can be said thanks to whos in charge and what they are so happy to do to people who know better then to buy lies and gas lighting.
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