What is "Trainability Advanced"?

[uraniun]

Trying to train some animals (Alpaca, big blue mammoth, etc) to Haul stuff but it says I require trainability advanced? My handelers are level 13, do they need max level or something? Its not even in the research tab

[Wilson]

No your handlers don't need to be high level. Look at animals like humans, you can be taught how to do electrical work, but the guy next to you can only flip burgers. Animals can be obedient, doesn't mean it's smart enough to haul.

[AquaX]

Only certain animals can haul due to their size/ intellectual. Alpaca and muffalos can carry stuff but they can’t haul due to their lower intelligence.

[TotallyAverageGamer]

Thrumbos = best

[Knight9910]

Originally posted by Wilson:

No your handlers don't need to be high level. Look at animals like humans, you can be taught how to do electrical work, but the guy next to you can only flip burgers. Animals can be obedient, doesn't mean it's smart enough to haul.

I don't believe humans really work that way. I think all humans have equal potential and the only determining factor between electrician, burger flipper, and neurosurgeon is the amount of effort they're willing to put into it.

There are no special people, only people who try and people who don't.

...but yeah. Trainability is about the animal, not the handler. Though to be honest I don't see why you couldn't train an alpaca to haul things either.

(I do appreciate that you can't train cats to do ANYTHING, though. Trainability: ♥♥♥♥ You, Human Scum.)

[Jeffreyac]

Originally posted by Knight9910:

I don't believe humans really work that way. I think all humans have equal potential and the only determining factor between electrician, burger flipper, and neurosurgeon is the amount of effort they're willing to put into it.

There are no special people, only people who try and people who don't.

I respectfull disagree with your reasoning. I'm a pretty smart guy, pretty flexible, but no amount of effort will give me, say, Steven Hawking's understanding of black holes. Or Tiger Wood's golf swing, or your favorite quarterback's ability to throw a football.

The world is full of special people - and I agree, we all have strengths and we all have potential. But those potentials are not all the same - and the RAL magic is when that potential lines up with opportunity, causing something really great to happen.

[Bouncer]

As others have said, animals need high intelligence to haul. iirc the only animals capable of this are huskies, pigs, boars, bears and elephants.

[AquaX]

Originally posted by Bouncer:

As others have said, animals need high intelligence to haul. iirc the only animals capable of this are huskies, pigs, boars, bears and elephants.

Don’t t forget thrumbos.

[James]

Originally posted by Knight9910:

I don't believe humans really work that way. I think all humans have equal potential and the only determining factor between electrician, burger flipper, and neurosurgeon is the amount of effort they're willing to put into it.

There are no special people, only people who try and people who don't.

assuming that the only factor is interest/passion, doesn't that still leave us in the same spot where some people have the interest/passion and others don't?

[stevasaur]

Originally posted by Bouncer:

As others have said, animals need high intelligence to haul. iirc the only animals capable of this are huskies, pigs, boars, bears and elephants.

Just a note: Boars can no longer haul as of Beta 19. Also, Labrador Retrievers, Wargs, both varieties of wolves (timber/arctic) and the larger cats (couger/panther) can haul in the new version.

[Knight9910]

Originally posted by Jeffreyac:

Originally posted by Knight9910:

I don't believe humans really work that way. I think all humans have equal potential and the only determining factor between electrician, burger flipper, and neurosurgeon is the amount of effort they're willing to put into it.

There are no special people, only people who try and people who don't.

I respectfull disagree with your reasoning. I'm a pretty smart guy, pretty flexible, but no amount of effort will give me, say, Steven Hawking's understanding of black holes. Or Tiger Wood's golf swing, or your favorite quarterback's ability to throw a football.

The world is full of special people - and I agree, we all have strengths and we all have potential. But those potentials are not all the same - and the RAL magic is when that potential lines up with opportunity, causing something really great to happen.

And I've heard this exact same argument from every person I've ever known who then decided to apply themselves one day and realized it wasn't impossible after all.

Do you really think Tiger Woods was simply born with a golf club in his hand and all the knowledge he needed? No. He's so good at golf because his father introduced him to golf at age 2 and he stuck with it. It wasn't the hand of God that made him good at golf, it was himself working hard over his entire life.

I know because I developed my own skills the same way. When I was in preschool my parents saw me looking at pictures in a book, thought I was reading it, and started telling everyone how smart I was. I decided I wanted to actually be that smart so I taught myself to read and by the time I was in fifth grade I could read at a college level. And no, this wasn't just some magic of talent and opportunity coming together... physically I'm clearly built for athletics, but I ended up a squishy nerd anyway because I never cared about strength or speed or hand-eye coordination.

I'm sure to someone on the outside it all must have looked like magic, but it wasn't. It was just hard work. The same thing is true of Tiger Woods, Stephen Hawking, and all the other so-called "gods" of our society. They're not "special" because they can do things nobody else can do, but rather because they have done things that nobody else has.

And I know saying that offends people because it makes them feel like if they don't have a talent it's just because they're not trying hard enough. And... well, yeah, that is about the long and short of it. Of course there's still luck and opportunity... but yeah, if no one's ever heard of you a big part of that is that you're not trying as hard as you could. And yes, if you've never heard of me it's because I'm also not trying as hard as I know I should be.

The point is... there are no prodigies. There are no special people. There are only people who try and people who don't.

[esculapio]

Originally posted by stevasaur:

Originally posted by Bouncer:

As others have said, animals need high intelligence to haul. iirc the only animals capable of this are huskies, pigs, boars, bears and elephants.

Just a note: Boars can no longer haul as of Beta 19. Also, Labrador Retrievers, Wargs, both varieties of wolves (timber/arctic) and the larger cats (couger/panther) can haul in the new version.

Megasloths and foxes can also haul.

@knight: As someone in the medical field I can tell you that unfortunately we are not all the same. Prodigies do exist and you can't be whatever you want.

[Knight9910]

Originally posted by esculapio:

@knight: As someone in the medical field I can tell you that unfortunately we are not all the same. Prodigies do exist and you can't be whatever you want.

And if you were really in the medical field then there's no way you could possibly believe that. You would have heard all the stories. You might have even seen a few yourself. All the stories of people who were told they wouldn't live another year, then lived ten. Stories of people who were told they would never walk again because of their injuries, then became Olympic sprinters.

Of course we're not all the same. I'm tall, someone else is short, somebody has good eyesight and somebody else is blind. Of course not everyone is the same and shouldn't all be treated the same... but everybody can try and with enough hard work anything can be overcome. And if you're going to say that isn't true I can name you a dozen names right now of people who've proved you wrong. Hell, have you ever heard of Beethoven?

[Lucifer]

Originally posted by Knight9910:

Originally posted by esculapio:

@knight: As someone in the medical field I can tell you that unfortunately we are not all the same. Prodigies do exist and you can't be whatever you want.

And if you were really in the medical field then there's no way you could possibly believe that. You would have heard all the stories. You might have even seen a few yourself. All the stories of people who were told they wouldn't live another year, then lived ten. Stories of people who were told they would never walk again because of their injuries, then became Olympic sprinters.

Of course we're not all the same. I'm tall, someone else is short, somebody has good eyesight and somebody else is blind. Of course not everyone is the same and shouldn't all be treated the same... but everybody can try and with enough hard work anything can be overcome. And if you're going to say that isn't true I can name you a dozen names right now of people who've proved you wrong. Hell, have you ever heard of Beethoven?

Someone with an IQ of 65 isn't going to become an astronaut. People aren't clones. We all have varying degrees of abilities because it's a genetic lottery. There's winners and losers in any lottery. Hard work can compensate for lack of inborn talent, but only to a degree. Hard work + talent is where the people who shape society come from.

[James]

Originally posted by Hydra Shaftoe:

Originally posted by Knight9910:

And if you were really in the medical field then there's no way you could possibly believe that. You would have heard all the stories. You might have even seen a few yourself. All the stories of people who were told they wouldn't live another year, then lived ten. Stories of people who were told they would never walk again because of their injuries, then became Olympic sprinters.

Of course we're not all the same. I'm tall, someone else is short, somebody has good eyesight and somebody else is blind. Of course not everyone is the same and shouldn't all be treated the same... but everybody can try and with enough hard work anything can be overcome. And if you're going to say that isn't true I can name you a dozen names right now of people who've proved you wrong. Hell, have you ever heard of Beethoven?

Someone with an IQ of 65 isn't going to become an astronaut. People aren't clones. We all have varying degrees of abilities because it's a genetic lottery. There's winners and losers in any lottery. Hard work can compensate for lack of inborn talent, but only to a degree. Hard work + talent is where the people who shape society come from.

people with low IQs are just intellectually lazy. They choose to be slow at picking up new concepts.

[Knight9910]

Originally posted by James:

Originally posted by Hydra Shaftoe:

Someone with an IQ of 65 isn't going to become an astronaut. People aren't clones. We all have varying degrees of abilities because it's a genetic lottery. There's winners and losers in any lottery. Hard work can compensate for lack of inborn talent, but only to a degree. Hard work + talent is where the people who shape society come from.

people with low IQs are just intellectually lazy. They choose to be slow at picking up new concepts.

You say that, and yet it has happened that people who everyone thought were stupid went on to great careers in academics and science. Everyone knows the story of Einstein flunking out of school... though personally I think he was overrated, but that's beside the point.

The point is, IQ is just a number determined by how many questions you get right on a test. I've personally known people who scored terribly on IQ tests and yet are among the smartest people you'll ever meet, and people who consistently score at genius level on IQ tests but who can't figure out how to tie their own shoelaces.


No, people who believe in the myth of "gods and clods" do NOT shape society. Talk to any true hero, anyone who's saved others, anyone who's shaped society, anyone who's a thinker or a creator. They all say the same thing - they have no great talent on loan from God... they're just people doing what they do to the best of their abilities, and those abilities came from a lifetime of hard work and perseverence, NOT from birthright. Anything they've done is nothing anyone else couldn't have done... they just chose to DO it instead of sitting on the sidelines. Heroes are made by their actions, not their potential.

The people who do like to style themselves as gods among men all become petty dictators and celebrities at best. They boss people around, hoard material gains, and accomplish nothing of value. Then they die and their phony achievements crumble to dust. Future generations would wonder why we thought they were so special... if only future generations remembered there was someone there at all.


And you? The truth is it isn't just laziness that holds people back, but also ego. Acknowledging that anyone could be a success story means admitting that you could have been too, and that it's your own fault you're not. You can't handle that. "Everyone wants to go to Heaven, but nobody wants to die."