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why dont they throw it around for free and pay the developer for it? They tend to like doing that
I suspect EGS will be doing that less now that investors and developers are aware of the fact the store has done nothing but bleed hundreds of millions of dollars a year on deals like that without earning a penny in profit. Epic's recent lawsuit with Apple revealed EGS is a money pit that is down over half a billion dollars at this point.
?? They're doing this to acquire users and it's working. Comments such as "scraping the bottom of a barrel" for doing discounts as if those games aren't successful or on last leg isn't true in a lot of cases. Idk why people spout this stuff around here.
Those devs come into agreement with those giveaways. Mainly happens for newly added games in the epic store, so I don't think it will be common to see existing titles on there available for free -at least that is not the usual format for now.
There's no evidence that they are getting active users from it, and if there was Epic would have probably used that in it's defense rather than number of accounts created. People make an account to get a free/exclusive game, and only play that game (or other free/exclusive games), and don't buy anything else on the store or engage with it at all because it's a bad store.
Origin did the same thing with free games (without the paid exclusives), a lot of people made Origin accounts to get those free games or play EA games, nobody uses Origin to buy games, to the point EA started selling on Steam again. It's a strategy that has already been proven ineffective.
Yes, Epic pays them a wad of cash and the devs agree to let them give their game away or sell it at some extreme discount. In this case with the RimWorld sale Ludeon is probably getting full value for every copy sold and Epic is eating the difference, Ludeon probably wasn't even asked about it because financially it makes no difference.
Makes more sense to track down new accounts than active users in this case. Sure, there are lots of people that go there mainly to claim games but that's the thing.. They go there. They actually have to visit & use the store in the process. Then there are many who play the games they claimed.
It's not a bad store especially if you consider time. Got plenty of steam fanboys and ones that have unrealistic expectations on things that don't happen overnight. Not claiming you are one of those, but I don't understand why you say it's a bad store. Ever wonder the small things like why aren't there thousands of indie games on there already? I think they're doing things the right way, gradually improving and adding features, slowly adding games etc. More importantly they're building user libraries with quality games.
A year ago, I had it installed but I would not buy games from there even if highly discounted. Now I've purchased several. They do things differently than origin so I don't think that's a fair comparison at all.
It's missing a lot of usability, customer resources, and developer tools. You can buy games on EGS, that's about it, and even in that aspect it's way behind Steam in providing you with the tools to find the games you would be interested in. I mean it still doesn't even have a shopping cart 2 years in, they are only now working on adding one later this year, and their concept for user reviews is going to give developers full control over them, making them pointless.
Last I heard about reviews is that they're going to be optional & I do think that's the best decision. If it's full control then oh well, that sucks. I don't care for steam reviews, they do many things in the background. The whole spend money to get more steam points to award things like reviews also ruins integrity. Sorry, it doesn't have much bragging rights here.
Well they might be attracting a lot of users, but if I start throwing around money for free, I will have alot of friends, still making huge losses. Googling his storie revealed some true things about his side of arguments, they pay alot to devs (since devs, especially f.e the money greedy monkeys of gta5 would never give millions of copys of theire game for FREE. They would rather kill themself. And other then ALOT of users, they didnt catch to much out of this risky deals.
EGS is a simple wooden stool. It has "what you need" to sit on it, it's technically classified as a chair, but it's hard and uncomfortable.
Steam is a lush heavily padded recliner with cup holders, a mini-cooler in one of the arms to hold your 6 pack, a heated seat option, massaging head and foot rests, and a small robot that lives in the back of it that comes out when you are sleeping to keep it clean and functional.
When given the option between the two at the same price (free), you would compare them, and one of them would be considered comparably bad. Do you "need" all the features on Steam? No, and most people will only use some of them, but they are provided free and are nice to have as an option.
RimWorld isn't just sold on Steam. RimWorld is developed on Steam, the internal dev branch is updated constantly, often daily, to play test every small change made. How many games do you think are being actively developed on the EGS platform using EGS tools and services? How much do you think such tools and services are worth to devs? Now consider again if EGS "needs" such features in order to seriously compete with Steam, in order to be a realistic alternative.
Preemptively, and I realize this is veering off topic at this point but it's just another sale thread: Will EGS ever catch up? Is it worth investing in now for the future? No. Those features cost money to add and maintain, money which EGS will never get because it's taking an unrealistic cut of sales. EGS will never be competitive, it will never be attractive to customers, it will never be attractive to developers. That's what makes the entire situation frustrating and laughable, it's not a legitimate effort, it's a madman setting piles of money on fire, just like he did when he decided to go after apple and google. I have a bunch of free games and EA games on Origin, there's nothing about Steam that makes me say "Steam and only Steam forever," but Origin has always been a sensible project. EGS hasn't ever been, I don't even claim free games on it because I have no interest in "owning" a bunch of games I will lose access to in a few years when the project is canceled.
EGS is going to hit a billion dollars in losses in the next couple years, entirely on buying deals to try to secure users. Valve, as in the entire company and all assets including Steam, is only worth about $10 billion after about 2 decades of Steam being operational. Epic is worth about $30 billion, half of that owned by Tencent. People think EGS couldn't possibly fail because there's so much money behind it, but a billion dollars in losses is huge even for Epic, for a project that could take decades to break even even in an optimal scenario.
Well that doesn't automatically make EGS a bad store. That makes steam a store with benefits. I'm not trying to undervalue, These type of missing features are planned to be implemented but in reality the negatives of said features are minor to a consumer at this point in time. It would be a different discussion if you had to pay for these services. The problem with the analogy is that you're making it sound like using EGS is inconvenient when it's not to most consumers - for devs, it'll just take time to have those kind of tools that steam offers I guess. The necessities are there and robust enough. You now have options. If a game I want is available at a cheaper price on EGS than steam I am going to choose EGS.
At this point I'm assuming you have some wishful thinking for epic to simply fail. If it didn't appeal to devs they wouldn't sell their game there. If it wasn't appealing to consumers they wouldn't buy, yet me and my friends do buy from there. You don't take into account things like new pc users acquiring all those games etc. You're just speculating outcomes when neither of us know their actual plans, how things internally work & future. You don't even bring up things like Unreal engine how that can be used commercially in so many ways outside the gaming world.
Funny I see people express this fear for steam too yet they claim to have plans to counter that problem. A bit out there don't you think? I know we are technically only purchasing a license to use but to think it all belly ups and vanish without any type of middle-ground? I think it's unlikely considering nobody would really want this to happen & how the gaming market works on PC. The piracy would be off the charts and the damage would take too long recover, not saying it's impossible but I do think it's unlikely.. We aren't dealing with oddball software sold from individual sites.
I've played soon 1.5k hours -> I bought this during some alpha phase for.... 15+€
I'd pay a triple A price for this.
3500 Hours by now, still going up fast.