Psycast skills without titles

[Jaggid Edje]

I have a pawn with good psychic sensitivity to whom I would like to give some Psy powers, but they are not able to perform "social" skill functions and the game warns me it's a bad ideato give them a title.
They also don't have the "natural" focus type, so the anima tree isn't an option.

I've not been lucky enough to ever see any of the neuroformers other than when the bestower grants them.

Is there any sure-fire ways to get these? Like if I haul a caravan all the way to the nearest empire settlement is it almost gauranteed to be for sale? (It's a really long ways away)

[ᖇIᑎ]

Cheese it? Heat up the room the bestower comes to until they all get downed from heatstroke. Bestower drops neuroformers and you can rescue the Empire pawns and get more friend points.

If you're not going to be using this pawn to do trading with the Empire or to give throne speeches, their lack of social isn't going to matter much.

[Jaggid Edje]

Originally posted by Stariali:

Cheese it? Heat up the room the bestower comes to until they all get downed from heatstroke. Bestower drops neuroformers and you can rescue the Empire pawns and get more friend points.

If you're not going to be using this pawn to do trading with the Empire or to give throne speeches, their lack of social isn't going to matter much.

I'd prefer not to cheese it (though I love the suggestion!), but I do not plan to use the pawn for trading nor throne speeches. I already have a pawn who is Baroness, and her husband is a Praetor, both of whom have excellent social skills.

I think I'll just go for the title to get this other pawn started at psycasting. Thanks for the clarification on the game's warning...it didn't really explain "why" it was bad to have a title on someone with no social capabilities.

[jerrypocalypse]

Originally posted by Stariali:

Cheese it? Heat up the room the bestower comes to until they all get downed from heatstroke. Bestower drops neuroformers and you can rescue the Empire pawns and get more friend points.

If you're not going to be using this pawn to do trading with the Empire or to give throne speeches, their lack of social isn't going to matter much.

I believe there was a note in the most recent patch to address this trick

[glass zebra]

Originally posted by jerrypocalypse:

Originally posted by Stariali:

Cheese it? Heat up the room the bestower comes to until they all get downed from heatstroke. Bestower drops neuroformers and you can rescue the Empire pawns and get more friend points.

If you're not going to be using this pawn to do trading with the Empire or to give throne speeches, their lack of social isn't going to matter much.

I believe there was a note in the most recent patch to address this trick

"Empire will now properly respond to player giving the bestower serious heatstroke or hypothermia or allowing it to happen."source

[jerrypocalypse]

Originally posted by Jaggid Edje:

Originally posted by Stariali:

Cheese it? Heat up the room the bestower comes to until they all get downed from heatstroke. Bestower drops neuroformers and you can rescue the Empire pawns and get more friend points.

If you're not going to be using this pawn to do trading with the Empire or to give throne speeches, their lack of social isn't going to matter much.

I'd prefer not to cheese it (though I love the suggestion!), but I do not plan to use the pawn for trading nor throne speeches. I already have a pawn who is Baroness, and her husband is a Praetor, both of whom have excellent social skills.

I think I'll just go for the title to get this other pawn started at psycasting. Thanks for the clarification on the game's warning...it didn't really explain "why" it was bad to have a title on someone with no social capabilities.

I could be mistaken, but I believe you can also renounce the pawn's title after you have the psy-level you want and they'll keep the abilities.

[glass zebra]

Originally posted by glass zebra:

Originally posted by jerrypocalypse:

I believe there was a note in the most recent patch to address this trick

"Empire will now properly respond to player giving the bestower serious heatstroke or hypothermia or allowing it to happen."source

You can just make that pawn a royal that can't do social. You can't do the unlocked trading or speeches, but from the sound of it, you don't need the unlocked trading anyway.

As far as I know, they removed the possibilty of buying the neurotrainers. Sources are now:
- bestowing
- quests
- anima tree
- killing the bestower
- blinding ritual (:edit)

I would like it if they added the buying part again though, since killing the bestower and gifting stuff to make them happy again is very close to that, just very very weird. And they seem to acknowledge this as a normal way of getting it.

Originally posted by jerrypocalypse:

I could be mistaken, but I believe you can also renounce the pawn's title after you have the psy-level you want and they'll keep the abilities.

Also true

[Jaggid Edje]

Originally posted by jerrypocalypse:

I could be mistaken, but I believe you can also renounce the pawn's title after you have the psy-level you want and they'll keep the abilities.

OH, SNAP! I never noticed you COULD renounce a title.
Damn, thank you SO much for telling me that. Once you said it, I see the button for it right where one would expect it to be.

I am ever so grateful for this information.

Edit to add: I do think game mentions that you can renounce titles at some point in the process. I believe I just simply forgot all about it.

[glass zebra]

Why would you renounce them though? You are loosing all permits and the ability to meditate on a throne. If not greedy etc. the only requirement is really a bit of a bigger bedroom.

And killing for neuroformers is really acknowledged by Ludeon. That's why they bring two of them. It's only cheesing if you find a way to do so without getting the 70 orwhatever reputation loss.

[ᖇIᑎ]

Hm. I haven't tried it myself and I was told it still worked. I wonder if there was a different setup involved.

[Jaggid Edje]

Originally posted by glass zebra:

Why would you renounce them though? You are are loosing all permits and the ability to meditate on a throne. If not greedy etc. the only requirement is really a bit of a bigger bedroom.

For this one pawn, I'm only interested in the psycasting, but I don't really want to maintain another throne room for her long term. I'll get the psycast levels and then renounce the title so that I can re-purpose that room.
They can meditate on a throne without it being in a super big, fancy (and expensive) throne room, after all.

[glass zebra]

Originally posted by Stariali:

Hm. I haven't tried it myself and I was told it still worked. I wonder if there was a different setup involved.

It might. I think manhunters pulse around your ship landing spot also works? OP does not want to cheese though : P

[glass zebra]

Originally posted by Jaggid Edje:

For this one pawn, I'm only interested in the pscasting, but I don't realy want to maintain another throne room for her long term. I'll get the psycast levels and then renounce the title so that I can repurpose that room.

You don't need to get another throne room. Just slap a single throne in the one you have. If you already have royals, new royals pretty much just need a big bed(-room).

[GeneralVeers]

Originally posted by Stariali:

Cheese it? Heat up the room the bestower comes to until they all get downed from heatstroke. Bestower drops neuroformers and you can rescue the Empire pawns and get more friend points.

Wait, what?? That actually works???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcE5wjCrQ1c

Ya know, fairly often, there's complaints in this forum about the game not being realistic.......

That trick you just posted ain't realistic, but it's hilarious. ("gee, our hosts turned up the thermostat until we passed out, then they took our gear........bah, must have been an accident")

[Jaggid Edje]

Originally posted by glass zebra:

Originally posted by Jaggid Edje:

For this one pawn, I'm only interested in the pscasting, but I don't realy want to maintain another throne room for her long term. I'll get the psycast levels and then renounce the title so that I can repurpose that room.

You don't need to get another throne room. Just slap a single throne in the one you have. If you already have royals, new royals pretty much just need a big bed(-room).

According to information I found when searching that question you cannot share throne rooms except for married couples.
Was that changed?

[glass zebra]

Originally posted by Jaggid Edje:

Originally posted by glass zebra:

You don't need to get another throne room. Just slap a single throne in the one you have. If you already have royals, new royals pretty much just need a big bed(-room).

According to information I found when searching that question you cannot share throne rooms except for married couples.
Was that changed?

Yes. Don't trust information you look up. Look ingame first