recreation problems

[nolukjustskil]

i havent played over the past few updates, but it feels like there is a problem with recreation. i have horseshoe pin, poker table, chess table, drum, and meditation area. but i still have pawns breaking because bad recreation. i also have a few hours a day set up for rec. did a recent patch screw this up?

[Astasia]

No, it's functioning normally. Expectations controls how much recreation variety is required, and is usually based on wealth. If you are using Ideology then the leader and moral guide roles have increased expectations, there is a warning about this when you attempt to give a colonist one of those roles.

[Badass Trans Knight]

I don't think the drum is for recreation. Make sure your recreation varieties are covered with the best available item, you don't want any overlap.

Chess and Ur are the same type for example, but chess is just better so never build Ur.

[GeneralVeers]

Originally posted by nolukjustskil:

but i still have pawns breaking because bad recreation

If you go into the pawns' Needs tabs, how's their Recreation bar? Full? Empty?

On the side: do your pawns have some hours in their schedule for "Anything"? Most of the time, my pawns have their entire waking day set to "Anything" and it works out fine; the pawns go to work when an assigned job is available, and they do recreation when they need to.

[nolukjustskil]

Originally posted by Badass Trans Knight:

I don't think the drum is for recreation. Make sure your recreation varieties are covered with the best available item, you don't want any overlap.

Chess and Ur are the same type for example, but chess is just better so never build Ur.

the drum is listed under rec (music) when you hover over the rec bar in needs tab.

[nolukjustskil]

Originally posted by Astasia:

No, it's functioning normally. Expectations controls how much recreation variety is required, and is usually based on wealth. If you are using Ideology then the leader and moral guide roles have increased expectations, there is a warning about this when you attempt to give a colonist one of those roles.

its a brand new game, so wealth is very low, and having at least 3 different types of rec, has always been enough. is the expectations really that much higher for leaders/other roles?

[nolukjustskil]

Originally posted by GeneralVeers:

Originally posted by nolukjustskil:

but i still have pawns breaking because bad recreation

If you go into the pawns' Needs tabs, how's their Recreation bar? Full? Empty?

On the side: do your pawns have some hours in their schedule for "Anything"? Most of the time, my pawns have their entire waking day set to "Anything" and it works out fine; the pawns go to work when an assigned job is available, and they do recreation when they need to.

yes the pawns rec bar is empty, they are set for anything from 0000-2100 with 2 hours of rec around noon (because the problem ive been having). and when you hover over the rec tab it says they are bored, which i guess means they wont do that type of rec? but like this is a new game, and dont have very much research. it just seems crazy to me that instead of solar or batteries, the first few tech you need to research involves recreation.

[Païtiti]

Originally posted by nolukjustskil:

Originally posted by Astasia:

No, it's functioning normally. Expectations controls how much recreation variety is required, and is usually based on wealth. If you are using Ideology then the leader and moral guide roles have increased expectations, there is a warning about this when you attempt to give a colonist one of those roles.

its a brand new game, so wealth is very low, and having at least 3 different types of rec, has always been enough. is the expectations really that much higher for leaders/other roles?

Yes, it is. I also feel that there is something going on with recreation atm. In my current colony I have a lot of mental breaks because of exact that problem although they are on the same rec times I usually run. They sometimes just dont recreate although it is scheduled and they have low rec. It helped to have 1 hour of "anything" before and after rec time. Maybe it has to do with walking times and already started jobs. Like let's say their rec time starts at 19.00 but at 18:50 they start some job that takes them until 19:30. Now they have to walk back to base for 30 min just to have an hour of rec time before going to bed. That might be not enough. If that happens a couple of days in a row they might get issues with recreation.

I feel that this was the issue in my colony. I actually thought jobs are usually halted once rec time starts and continued the next day. Maybe its a mod thing, maybe something changed. But try giving them 1 h of anything before and after rec.

[nolukjustskil]

Originally posted by 123:

Originally posted by nolukjustskil:

its a brand new game, so wealth is very low, and having at least 3 different types of rec, has always been enough. is the expectations really that much higher for leaders/other roles?

Yes, it is. I also feel that there is something going on with recreation atm. In my current colony I have a lot of mental breaks because of exact that problem although they are on the same rec times I usually run. They sometimes just dont recreate although it is scheduled and they have low rec. It helped to have 1 hour of "anything" before and after rec time. Maybe it has to do with walking times and already started jobs. Like let's say their rec time starts at 19.00 but at 18:50 they start some job that takes them until 19:30. Now they have to walk back to base for 30 min just to have an hour of rec time before going to bed. That might be not enough. If that happens a couple of days in a row they might get issues with recreation.

I feel that this was the issue in my colony. I actually thought jobs are usually halted once rec time starts and continued the next day. Maybe its a mod thing, maybe something changed. But try giving them 1 h of anything before and after rec.

yeah i have 2 hours of rec and pretty much "anything" for the rest of the day (except at 2100-2200 which i have set to sleep). ive even set the leader to doing nothing, and he just endless wondered around and did nothing even though his rec was @0.

[Païtiti]

Originally posted by nolukjustskil:

Originally posted by 123:

Yes, it is. I also feel that there is something going on with recreation atm. In my current colony I have a lot of mental breaks because of exact that problem although they are on the same rec times I usually run. They sometimes just dont recreate although it is scheduled and they have low rec. It helped to have 1 hour of "anything" before and after rec time. Maybe it has to do with walking times and already started jobs. Like let's say their rec time starts at 19.00 but at 18:50 they start some job that takes them until 19:30. Now they have to walk back to base for 30 min just to have an hour of rec time before going to bed. That might be not enough. If that happens a couple of days in a row they might get issues with recreation.

I feel that this was the issue in my colony. I actually thought jobs are usually halted once rec time starts and continued the next day. Maybe its a mod thing, maybe something changed. But try giving them 1 h of anything before and after rec.

yeah i have 2 hours of rec and pretty much "anything" for the rest of the day (except at 2100-2200 which i have set to sleep). ive even set the leader to doing nothing, and he just endless wondered around and did nothing even though his rec was @0.

Hm, okay that sounds like a bug or some general oversight. Because what you say is that you have a lot of rec, you allow for rec, they need the rec but they just dont do it.

Have you checked dev log? Maybe it's a bug.

Stupid question: Your area for rec is allowed right? I had some infestation related thing going on a forgot to put them back into their area and wondered why everybody was just standing around or sleeping on the floor.

[Cat®]

I have no issues with recreation. I'd chalk it up to mod issues or user error.

[Astasia]

Originally posted by nolukjustskil:

its a brand new game, so wealth is very low, and having at least 3 different types of rec, has always been enough. is the expectations really that much higher for leaders/other roles?

yes the pawns rec bar is empty, they are set for anything from 0000-2100 with 2 hours of rec around noon (because the problem ive been having). and when you hover over the rec tab it says they are bored, which i guess means they wont do that type of rec? but like this is a new game, and dont have very much research. it just seems crazy to me that instead of solar or batteries, the first few tech you need to research involves recreation.

Yes the added expectations are very significant and causes exactly what you are experiencing. If they are bored of a recreation type they will not do it even at 0 recreation.

[nolukjustskil]

Originally posted by 123:

Originally posted by nolukjustskil:

yeah i have 2 hours of rec and pretty much "anything" for the rest of the day (except at 2100-2200 which i have set to sleep). ive even set the leader to doing nothing, and he just endless wondered around and did nothing even though his rec was @0.

Hm, okay that sounds like a bug or some general oversight. Because what you say is that you have a lot of rec, you allow for rec, they need the rec but they just dont do it.

Have you checked dev log? Maybe it's a bug.

Stupid question: Your area for rec is allowed right? I had some infestation related thing going on a forgot to put them back into their area and wondered why everybody was just standing around or sleeping on the floor.

yeah nothing in the dev log, and the area is allowed and accessable.

[nolukjustskil]

Originally posted by Astasia:

Originally posted by nolukjustskil:

its a brand new game, so wealth is very low, and having at least 3 different types of rec, has always been enough. is the expectations really that much higher for leaders/other roles?

yes the pawns rec bar is empty, they are set for anything from 0000-2100 with 2 hours of rec around noon (because the problem ive been having). and when you hover over the rec tab it says they are bored, which i guess means they wont do that type of rec? but like this is a new game, and dont have very much research. it just seems crazy to me that instead of solar or batteries, the first few tech you need to research involves recreation.

Yes the added expectations are very significant and causes exactly what you are experiencing. If they are bored of a recreation type they will not do it even at 0 recreation.

but when you have all current rec built, how do you get around this? i mean i dont mind harder game and things changing, but when you have everything, and cant fix the problem, then i feel like its a problem.

[Cat®]

Originally posted by nolukjustskil:

Originally posted by Astasia:

Yes the added expectations are very significant and causes exactly what you are experiencing. If they are bored of a recreation type they will not do it even at 0 recreation.

but when you have all current rec built, how do you get around this? i mean i dont mind harder game and things changing, but when you have everything, and cant fix the problem, then i feel like its a problem.

You didn't mention Royalty musical instruments, or drugs. Seems like two recreation sources you are not using. Neither did you mention TV. Unless you have these you are not capped out on recreation.

EDIT: Don't forget chocolate and insect jelly!

[nolukjustskil]

Originally posted by Cat®:

I have no issues with recreation. I'd chalk it up to mod issues or user error.

the only mod that could be the problem is better pawn control, but that doesnt really affect what they do as it does how they get there. and its not user error, i have everything built i can build (except light ball and speaker (which i think does the same thing as the drum, maybe just not as good). and my current date is septober 7th, so im only a little bit of time into my game.