Pemmican or Packaged Survival Meals?

[klirko]

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[TwoTonGamer]

Survival meals are superior in every way if you have them. Only use pemmican if you have no other access to a shelf stable food.

[Chaoslink]

Survival definitely.

[anarcher]

PSM take more resources than pemmi. That's about it unless you need to store them in a room, pemmi needs more space per nutrition.

[climbingeastofwinter]

Packaged survival meals only take 6 vegetable and 6 animal product now, I believe, down from 10 and 10 previously. While pemmican is more efficient from a nutrition per resource used standpoint (I believe), it will slowly rot if not refrigerated while packaged survival meals will not. Survival meals also stack better, as Anarcher said.

The only real reason why I would choose to make pemmican over survival meals is to craft a meal with a long shelf duration while training my colonists' cooking skills - pemmican is very easy to craft and is a good way to earn experience for your pawns while also creating something the colony can potentially benefit from. And I do this frequently because you never know when a meteorite is going to fall on the head of your only real cook, killing them instantly. I try to cross train all of my pawns up to a semi-competent experience level in all of the essential skills, in case tragedy strikes.

[thelebk]

How the heck do you make packaged survival meals? I cannot find the requirements anywhere. I have meat and veggies and a cook at 8. I have a fueled wood stove. I get NO OPTION to make these. Do they require some kind of research (nothing labelled as that in the research tree)? Do they require some special material like drugs I don't have? Playing current version vanilla, thanks.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by thelebk:

How the heck do you make packaged survival meals? I cannot find the requirements anywhere. I have meat and veggies and a cook at 8. I have a fueled wood stove. I get NO OPTION to make these. Do they require some kind of research (nothing labelled as that in the research tree)? Do they require some special material like drugs I don't have? Playing current version vanilla, thanks.

There’s a research.

[flu007]

Yes, need to research it first. If you missed it in the research tree, it's right after the Nutrient Paste research.

[thelebk]

Good grief looks like I need a new set of glasses. Thanks guys.

[Burki from Turki]

If I'm not wrong, PSM has Fine Meal mood boost which can help you a bit with moods. You won't have your clean, impressive rooms with mood boosts in a carravan, so it's posibbly best I guess.

[flu007]

Originally posted by Burrrkey:

If I'm not wrong, PSM has Fine Meal mood boost which can help you a bit with moods. You won't have your clean, impressive rooms with mood boosts in a carravan, so it's posibbly best I guess.

It does not give the fine meal mood boost.

I did read here somewhere recently that PSM can't give food poisoning though, while Pemmi can.

[Markus Reese]

essentially pemmican is the versatile equal of kibble and psms. They can also be made at campfires for added emergency benefit. Do love the new nutrition requirements. Makes going out on caravans less the hassle and makes more sense.

[The Nut Champ]

if you hate food poisoning, go for pemmican

[Overeagerdragon]

Originally posted by Ree:

if you hate food poisoning, go for pemmican

Ehrm; isn't it the other way around? IIRC Pemmican has a change for food poisoning whereas PSM's don't....

[kevinshow]

Why just one or the other? Why not both?

I start out with pemmican because that is an earlier research. I make X of them and keep the bill going for working any skill-up points as well as prior to having refrigeration.

Then later on, I use them for caravans specifically, since most of the time, the pawns have other preferred food in the colony, though there will be the odd pawn that eats a survival meal at home, it won't break the supply of them, and the cook just makes more as needed.

For these reasons as well as just being more interesting to have some diversity, my cooks make both on 2 or 3 different stoves, though usually 2 is all I use to make foods. 3 happens occasionally if I really want to train up other cooks so that the cook that goes on caravan or raid quest, can still cook decently if they need to re-supply at the destination.

[Kittenpox]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Originally posted by thelebk:

How the heck do you make packaged survival meals? ... Do they require some kind of research?

There’s a research.

Yup! It's usually one of the first things I pick, so if I have excess food supplies I can put them to good use even if my Freezer has taken too long to set up. :-)

Btw, its okay to create new threads for things - this one was almost a year old.