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Artaniz Feb 24, 2020 @ 10:39am
Underwhelming and overpriced So much for a different kind of dev
Title says it all . This is the most lackluster "DLC" ive ever seen and for a game that refuses to go on sale and pushes a kind of cult like quality and support the small dev mentality but also espouses the value of the mod community how can anyone be happy about this .

Also if your argument is thousands of hours in the base game that is irrelevant to new DLC . Old work being good is not a prepayment on new works value . Thats how you get studios like paradox.

Time to take a step back from this game as good as the base game is and as awesome as the mod community is , the writing is on the wall , we will be getting a steady stream of overpriced DLC from now on which will break mods and leave old mods that are no longer being updated to die and with it the best part of the rimworld experience .
Originally posted by Tynan:
Just responding to OP - Hard to know what to say specifically since a lot of this seems to be concern about something that might happen in the future. It's hard to answer worries about things that haven't happened yet. I'll just say I take my reputation and duty to players really seriously and always have, and certainly intend to continue doing so.

I never wanted to abandon RimWorld. In truth I'm surprised there are people who would prefer I had done so, in order to avoid mod updating problems. This concern seems to be present if we update the core game for free, not actually about optional DLC.

I certainly understand mod instability sucks, which is why we've put a ton of effort recently into modder outreach, easing mod updates, and multi-version mod support. Modders do have the option of keeping their 1.0 support so there's no reason anything has to break (though a few made mistakes with it or decided not to do that - I'm looking at ways to make it easier for them).

Anyway, I made another sticky post rounding up a few related issues so it may be worth reading to you: https://steamcommunity.com/app/294100/discussions/0/1750149787512435164/
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Exiled Alchemist Feb 24, 2020 @ 10:42am 
Just going to re-post what I already said, and then move on with my day.

Break the DLC price down, and you will see it's not overpriced at all. 30% goes to Valve/Steam so that's $6. The album worth of new music is about $7 because royalty fees, and licensing for music isn't cheap. That leaves about $7 left for the new dev team.

It was stated that more devs where hired on to help split the work load. Allowing the original team to work more on base game patches, and the new team is to allow focus on new in game content. Can't hire new devs without paying them. So releasing a DLC to cover the costs makes sense from a business perspective.
Witch ~ Feb 24, 2020 @ 10:45am 
Originally posted by ExiledAlchemist:
Just going to re-post what I already said, and then move on with my day.

Break the DLC price down, and you will see it's not overpriced at all. 30% goes to Valve/Steam so that's $6. The album worth of new music is about $7 because royalty fees, and licensing for music isn't cheap. That leaves about $7 left for the new dev team.

It was stated that more devs where hired on to help split the work load. Allowing the original team to work more on base game patches, and the new team is to allow focus on new in game content. Can't hire new devs without paying them. So releasing a DLC to cover the costs makes sense from a business perspective.
what a retarded statement. The DLC is 20 bucks, end of story.
Doesn't matter what goes to who.
Artaniz Feb 24, 2020 @ 10:47am 
Originally posted by ExiledAlchemist:
Just going to re-post what I already said, and then move on with my day.

Break the DLC price down, and you will see it's not overpriced at all. 30% goes to Valve/Steam so that's $6. The album worth of new music is about $7 because royalty fees, and licensing for music isn't cheap. That leaves about $7 left for the new dev team.

It was stated that more devs where hired on to help split the work load. Allowing the original team to work more on base game patches, and the new team is to allow focus on new in game content. Can't hire new devs without paying them. So releasing a DLC to cover the costs makes sense from a business perspective.


I couldnt give two ♥♥♥♥♥ about the soundtrack , i know some people are into that sort of thing but im not so its not value added for me . Also its not relevant that steam gets a cut , forgive me if im wrong but the game is not 6 bucks cheaper if you buy it direct from ludeons website so that is also a moot point.

EDIT you know what else would have infused cash to the studio ?? a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sale on the base game so that the thousands of on the fence people would finally buy it , even a 10 % sale would probably see thousands buy it .
Last edited by Artaniz; Feb 24, 2020 @ 10:48am
Xero Feb 24, 2020 @ 10:48am 
I remember people talking about how the base game was overpriced and underwhelming. So how about you doomsayers be quiet since you're pretty much constantly proven wrong?
Fingusa of the East Feb 24, 2020 @ 10:49am 
Originally posted by Xero:
I remember people talking about how the base game was overpriced and underwhelming. So how about you doomsayers be quiet since you're pretty much constantly proven wrong?

I mean, mods exist that make the game so much better after all.
Artaniz Feb 24, 2020 @ 10:50am 
Originally posted by Xero:
I remember people talking about how the base game was overpriced and underwhelming. So how about you doomsayers be quiet since you're pretty much constantly proven wrong?

The base game is arguable not worth the 35 bucks but it is with the mods . DLC will see mods broken and left without updates thus making the base game worth less also . I expect the cult like responses such as yours but it does not change the fact that this DLC has hardly any content and will break thousands of mods .
Witch ~ Feb 24, 2020 @ 10:51am 
Originally posted by Xero:
I remember people talking about how the base game was overpriced and underwhelming. So how about you doomsayers be quiet since you're pretty much constantly proven wrong?
Rimworld is just Skyrim.
People praise it for the mods, not vanilla. Plus there's a serious lack of DF like civ buildup games anyway
Xero Feb 24, 2020 @ 10:52am 
Originally posted by Artaniz:
DLC will see mods broken and left without updates thus making the base game worth less also .

DLC isn't going to do that. Mods that have had support dropped for them would still be left broken for 1.1 regardless if the DLC was released or not.
Last edited by Xero; Feb 24, 2020 @ 10:53am
Steve Feb 24, 2020 @ 10:55am 
the base game price + DLC price = outstanding game for the money
Isilith Feb 24, 2020 @ 10:58am 
Yeah i'll defend the base game tooth and nail for its price, but this DLC is lackluster for 20 dollars for what could just be a mod addition. Hell we already have spells and abilities and races like vampires. Tynan must need money for a new project because they said they were done with this game.
Dad By Daylight Feb 24, 2020 @ 11:05am 
As a vanilla player, watching all these players frothing at the mouth about 'muh mods' has been endlessly entertaining.
Raymond Feb 24, 2020 @ 11:05am 
can't people just not buy the dlc? honestly, there is nothing compel you to buy the dlc other than the fact that it is there. It is not some super duper important part of the game that you must buy in order to get the full experience. The dlc is just there for people who have been crying for more content, the rest should stay in 1.0


Originally posted by Artaniz:

The base game is arguable not worth the 35 bucks but it is with the mods . DLC will see mods broken and left without updates thus making the base game worth less also . I expect the cult like responses such as yours but it does not change the fact that this DLC has hardly any content and will break thousands of mods .

you will get an option to not use dlc. It works just like any other mods. And yes, I agree, the game doesn't worth 35 bucks, they should have sell it for $59. And lmao, people should stop jumping straight into the workshop right after they buy the game and pretend the base game has nothing.
Fingusa of the East Feb 24, 2020 @ 11:05am 
Originally posted by Rannan:
As a vanilla player, watching all these players frothing at the mouth about 'muh mods' has been endlessly entertaining.

Eh, if Vanilla is good enough for you, why even get the DLC? Not like that is very Vanilla.
EmmaKat Feb 24, 2020 @ 11:08am 
So whats with all the hate for DLC? Obviously some DLC is bad but I get the impression that you lot want everything for free no matter what. Take Paradox for example. Crusader Kings 2 was a good game on launch, now the amount of content it has is insane. They could have easily gotten away with releasing Crusader Kings 3, Crusader Kings 4, Crusader Kings 5 etc at full price. Only now 8 years later are we getting Crusader Kings 3 and that's because 2 has become so large the engine wouldn't be able to support any more content.

You can't expect a developer to keep adding to a game years after release without expecting to profit from it. Why would you expect any dev to be different? People need money.

That isn't to say you can't think the DLC is overpriced or bad, but this odd delusion of betrayal over someone simply selling a product they were under no obligation to make, is simply baffling.
Witch ~ Feb 24, 2020 @ 11:11am 
Originally posted by Toast_Burner:
So whats with all the hate for DLC? Obviously some DLC is bad but I get the impression that you lot want everything for free no matter what. Take Paradox for example. Crusader Kings 2 was a good game on launch, now the amount of content it has is insane. They could have easily gotten away with releasing Crusader Kings 3, Crusader Kings 4, Crusader Kings 5 etc at full price. Only now 8 years later are we getting Crusader Kings 3 and that's because 2 has become so large the engine wouldn't be able to support any more content.

You can't expect a developer to keep adding to a game years after release without expecting to profit from it. Why would you expect any dev to be different? People need money.

That isn't to say you can't think the DLC is overpriced or bad, but this odd delusion of betrayal over someone simply selling a product they were under no obligation to make, is simply baffling.
Except he said he was done with the game.
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