How do Gender work in this game?

[Kael]

Yep - i mean... im not that hard into it. but i dont understand the gender role.
And i cant google it because everywhere are just these gender-offended-discussions. (it offends me that some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥t exists but okay)

So... is there a difference between male and female in this game which should be gameplay relevant?

i couldnt find something if you need men and women to produce new tribespeople or just annex new incoming people

[gabgab01]

Originally posted by MagnusGrey:

Stupid thread. Stupid OP. Stupid everyone who responded to such blantant trolling.

but answering trolls is fun. don't you want me to have fun?

[King Maelstrom the Esoteric]

Originally posted by gabgab01:

define "normalcy".
a tribe in the amazonas rainforest had on average much stronger and more athletic females tahn males.
since it was an enclosed genepool, you could've taken that tribe as sample and use it in an hermetically sealed enclosure as a sample for mankind.
and if you would've done that, you'd say the exact opposite of your claim.

amazons are known for a reason :D

and is it "natural" to encourage males to join sport events and groups and to promote a healthy body while women are encouraged to perform in other kinds of activities? what would the majority of mankind look like if we just inverted our interactiosn regarding genders, treating women as the more "powerful" gender?

Amazons =/= Amazonians. As for your supposed Amazons, source? Women don't have testosterone on the same levels as men. If, and I stress IF, you are correct, then they are abnormal, and I would like to know why.

If we treated women as the more powerful gender, we'd be ignoring biology. What an ignorant statement. You should study the differences between the sexes before you spread more false information.

[gabgab01]

Originally posted by Cyber_Donkey:

Men and women are different. We differ in that men are physically much stronger, and mentally we differ as well. Since it is a FACT that men and women are different, and better at different things, why would it be sexist, or offensive, to include it in the game? It's not, btw. The only significant difference is that men are more aggressive sexually in the game.

lemme guess: women can't work physical jobs like carpentry or construction? is that what you are thinking? or are you jsut trying to justify the beliefs your ancestors have forced on you?

do you know the abilities that human bodies have? or are you keeping a close mind?


here's a hypothesis:

men are just uncomfortable seeing buff women, that's why men force them to stay thin, to eat less, to be weak.
men are teached early on that being a woman means weak.
if you are weaker than a woman, it means that you failed as a man, at least according to our parents.

women can get buff too. women are not born weaker, they're made weaker.


here's how i've come to this:

if we strip away everything that society has given us, what remains?
if we take away money, schools, children supervision, teaching, working, houses, cities, EVERYTHING, then what remains?

a basic male and a basic female.
if we look at them, we can spot the physical difference: the female human has more reproductive organs than the male and a rounder chin. and jsut be a tiny bit smaller than a male, but it's really negligible.

will a female have less muscle mass?
how is muscle mass gained?
was arnold schwarzenegger born as muscular as he is? have you ever seen a buff baby?
i'm pretty sure you are familiar with the concept of exersize, or as you mmight want to call it, "dem gainzz!"
you see, the human body is quite remarkable in it's ability to adapt. one of these examples is the neat trick that when muscles are used often, they increase in strength.

if a human, for example. runs for his whole life a ton every day, he will be able to chase a deer for so long that the deer dies of exhaustion (a hunting tactic employed by certain cavemen).

if we apply this concept of "gainz" onto both male and female humans, we can see that with the same amount of training, both humans would be able to "lift the same", or have equal strength.
likewise, a male who does not regularly improve his muscles will be much weaker than a female who does.
thus the argument of "females are naturally weaker" is negligible at best.

sure, if we take a closer look at the fractions of math, we see a clear but negligible percentage that males are stronger in average, but women still can achieve the same stuff that men can, given the same circumstances



but still, male and female both have the capacity to become physically more fit


now that i've triggered you, you will either answer with a ton of insults, in which case i won, or you will simply not reply in fear of reading an opinion that you don't agree with, in which case i've won.

in the rare case that you might be able to post a link to a scientifically approved study that shows that women are incapable of performing certain non-sexual tasks, then you've won.

[desrtfox071]

Originally posted by gabgab01:

Originally posted by Cyber_Donkey:

Men and women are different. We differ in that men are physically much stronger, and mentally we differ as well. Since it is a FACT that men and women are different, and better at different things, why would it be sexist, or offensive, to include it in the game? It's not, btw. The only significant difference is that men are more aggressive sexually in the game.

lemme guess: women can't work physical jobs like carpentry or construction? is that what you are thinking? or are you jsut trying to justify the beliefs your ancestors have forced on you?

do you know the abilities that human bodies have? or are you keeping a close mind?


here's a hypothesis:

men are just uncomfortable seeing buff women, that's why men force them to stay thin, to eat less, to be weak.
men are teached early on that being a woman means weak.
if you are weaker than a woman, it means that you failed as a man, at least according to our parents.

women can get buff too. women are not born weaker, they're made weaker.


here's how i've come to this:

if we strip away everything that society has given us, what remains?
if we take away money, schools, children supervision, teaching, working, houses, cities, EVERYTHING, then what remains?

a basic male and a basic female.
if we look at them, we can spot the physical difference: the female human has more reproductive organs than the male and a rounder chin. and jsut be a tiny bit smaller than a male, but it's really negligible.

will a female have less muscle mass?
how is muscle mass gained?
was arnold schwarzenegger born as muscular as he is? have you ever seen a buff baby?
i'm pretty sure you are familiar with the concept of exersize, or as you mmight want to call it, "dem gainzz!"
you see, the human body is quite remarkable in it's ability to adapt. one of these examples is the neat trick that when muscles are used often, they increase in strength.

if a human, for example. runs for his whole life a ton every day, he will be able to chase a deer for so long that the deer dies of exhaustion (a hunting tactic employed by certain cavemen).

if we apply this concept of "gainz" onto both male and female humans, we can see that with the same amount of training, both humans would be able to "lift the same", or have equal strength.
likewise, a male who does not regularly improve his muscles will be much weaker than a female who does.
thus the argument of "females are naturally weaker" is negligible at best.

sure, if we take a closer look at the fractions of math, we see a clear but negligible percentage that males are stronger in average, but women still can achieve the same stuff that men can, given the same circumstances



but still, male and female both have the capacity to become physically more fit


now that i've triggered you, you will either answer with a ton of insults, in which case i won, or you will simply not reply in fear of reading an opinion that you don't agree with, in which case i've won.

in the rare case that you might be able to post a link to a scientifically approved study that shows that women are incapable of performing certain non-sexual tasks, then you've won.

That's an awfully long post to just be wrong.

Men and women can of course both work on, and improve physique. Males of the human race, statistically, are larger and have more muscle mass. This is not a negligible difference by a large amount. Here, for some actual science on the subject instead of "feel good" BS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_human_physiology

This isn't a matter of what "ancestors" told anyone. It's called sexual dimorphism and it's common in the animal world. Humans are no exceptions.

[Tarshaid]

Originally posted by gabgab01:

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Without going into detail, if we strip everything linked to society or nurture, hormons like androgens or oestrogens remain. Males tend to have more androgens, and androgens tend to be help muscle development. That means that, in general, males will be stronger than females, at least for the human being. The logic conclusion being that if any task in particular requires a certain level of strength, there will be more males fit for said task than females.

Of course you can find a woman that is more muscular than a man. And that's simply because people are different (as there's not only averages, but also standart deviations). There's no hard written rule saying that every male must naturally be stronger than every female. But we can't just deny biology to fulfill an agenda, no matter what it is.

If you want links, you can go and google stuff about androgens and muscle mass, but I'm seriously not going to delve through scientific studies in my free time to find the one most fit for this subject.

[King Maelstrom the Esoteric]

Originally posted by gabgab01:

Originally posted by Cyber_Donkey:

Men and women are different. We differ in that men are physically much stronger, and mentally we differ as well. Since it is a FACT that men and women are different, and better at different things, why would it be sexist, or offensive, to include it in the game? It's not, btw. The only significant difference is that men are more aggressive sexually in the game.

lemme guess: women can't work physical jobs like carpentry or construction? is that what you are thinking? or are you jsut trying to justify the beliefs your ancestors have forced on you?

do you know the abilities that human bodies have? or are you keeping a close mind?


here's a hypothesis:

men are just uncomfortable seeing buff women, that's why men force them to stay thin, to eat less, to be weak.
men are teached early on that being a woman means weak.
if you are weaker than a woman, it means that you failed as a man, at least according to our parents.

women can get buff too. women are not born weaker, they're made weaker.


here's how i've come to this:

if we strip away everything that society has given us, what remains?
if we take away money, schools, children supervision, teaching, working, houses, cities, EVERYTHING, then what remains?

a basic male and a basic female.
if we look at them, we can spot the physical difference: the female human has more reproductive organs than the male and a rounder chin. and jsut be a tiny bit smaller than a male, but it's really negligible.

will a female have less muscle mass?
how is muscle mass gained?
was arnold schwarzenegger born as muscular as he is? have you ever seen a buff baby?
i'm pretty sure you are familiar with the concept of exersize, or as you mmight want to call it, "dem gainzz!"
you see, the human body is quite remarkable in it's ability to adapt. one of these examples is the neat trick that when muscles are used often, they increase in strength.

if a human, for example. runs for his whole life a ton every day, he will be able to chase a deer for so long that the deer dies of exhaustion (a hunting tactic employed by certain cavemen).

if we apply this concept of "gainz" onto both male and female humans, we can see that with the same amount of training, both humans would be able to "lift the same", or have equal strength.
likewise, a male who does not regularly improve his muscles will be much weaker than a female who does.
thus the argument of "females are naturally weaker" is negligible at best.

sure, if we take a closer look at the fractions of math, we see a clear but negligible percentage that males are stronger in average, but women still can achieve the same stuff that men can, given the same circumstances



but still, male and female both have the capacity to become physically more fit


now that i've triggered you, you will either answer with a ton of insults, in which case i won, or you will simply not reply in fear of reading an opinion that you don't agree with, in which case i've won.

in the rare case that you might be able to post a link to a scientifically approved study that shows that women are incapable of performing certain non-sexual tasks, then you've won.

Women can, and do construction and carpentry work. I'm not saying women are incapable of things that men are capable of. I'm saying women are not the same as men. Yes, women are capable of becoming stronger than they are. It'd be pretty stupid to say otherwise. Men have a greater potential for physical strength, however. That, too, would be ridiculous to dismiss.

I'm not uncomfortable seeing a buff woman. I simply find it unattractive. That's a pretty ridiculous hypothesis. There are female body builders. Jill Mills is the strongest woman in the world. Is she on par with the strongest men? Her greatest deadlift was 562 lbs in gear. Meanwhile, Zydrunas Savickas's record is 1,155 lbs. If she was held back, who was she held back by?

Women can be buff too. Not saying they can't. They simply don't have the same physical makeup (the easiest way to take note of this is by looking at their genitals). Women have smaller bladders than men. Biological fact. It's different. Men and women are different. I'm not saying one is superior to the other. Both are needed. Both are good. But we're not THE SAME.

And nowhere did I suggest that anyone is born buff. That's you putting ridiculous words in my mouth to win a mock argument I never made.

"likewise, a male who does not regularly improve his muscles will be much weaker than a female who does."

If that were true, my sister who rides horses would have, at the least, stronger legs than I do. I am a fat man that doesn't do much of anything, yet I can lift 100 lb bags pretty easily, while my sister can not.

You bring up math, and admit it is true...but then throw away that proof.

You haven't triggered me. You've only proven that you can have a mock argument, but not a real one. You don't understand what I am saying. You didn't try. Women are just as worthy as men...but men and women are different. Mentally, and physically.

[King Maelstrom the Esoteric]

@desrtfox071, thanks for that link. Makes the conversation much easier.

[gabgab01]

Originally posted by Cyber_Donkey:

You haven't triggered me. You've only proven that you can have a mock argument, but not a real one. You don't understand what I am saying. You didn't try. Women are just as worthy as men...but men and women are different. Mentally, and physically.

you're right in all those aspects, but there are two things you have missed:

1: i posted some other comments way earlier in this thread. you might find it interesting to read the entire thread again and pay attention to who wrote what.

2: this entire thread is a joke.
OP knew what he was posting, and that he would be posting a meme. so instead of arguing like normal i jsut decided to have some fun and try to trigger some sensible people, because whoever gets hateful in such a conversation deserves their day to be ruined by some stranger on the internet they shouldn#t care about.


of course, there are some limitations that women have, mostly physically, as well as some mentally.
HOWEVER, that still doesn't mean that theyare forced into roles they can't change.

when someone says that certain genders have certain roles, that of course heavily implies that that someone has the opinion that some actions are not suited for women, which is wrong.

IF you, however, take your time and explain what you mean, like i did, even if it doesn't make that much sense to anotehr person, at least make it obvious as to why your point shouldn't make sense or at least make it easy for people to disprove you.

only posting "GENDERS HAVE DIFFERENT ROLES HURR DURR" is not gonna make people understand you.
explain what you mean by roles and how people should act according to you; if those roles are to be taken as laws for example.#

the fact that you've taken your time to read and disprove my claim actually makes me happy, so i'll say it here jsut for you:

you are totally right.
humans have sexual dimorphism, which shows itself in some physical capabilities.
i agree with you on that.
now i'm gonna ask you tree questions:

what do you define as a "role"?
do you think that there are things that women are incapable of doing?
does someone have to act a certain way because of their gender?

[DDRMANIAC007]

OP is a master troll. Well done.

[Tarshaid]

Well I've re-read the thread, and what I can mostly point out is that the OP's point is that

Originally posted by Kael:

men are normally stronger than women and more aggressive as example

Which is an absolutely true statement (at least for the first half, but it seems no one cared to debate the second), as illustrated by Cyber_Donkey, desrtfox071 and myself; men have a natural headstart on muscle strength and you'd actually have to coerce humanity quite hard so that women become stronger than men on average.

The concept of role was only brought up by bearhiderug, whose point can only be valid when making very broad statements, but obviously brought you into motion. Anyhow, you can't blame the OP for the people who post in this thread, in fact what happened here is exactly what OP did not wish for.

In any case, you can't really excuse bringing out invalid points by saying "but that whole discussion is a mess anyway". People not sharing your views should not validate you to throw dubious arguments, unless you actively want to reinforce their views by showing them a poor opposition.

As for something that women are incapable of doing, since apparently the greatest deadlift achieved by a woman was 562 lbs, I'm going to say "deadlifting 600 lbs" seems right now impossible for a woman, but not for a man. In a more practical setting (since deadlifting 600 lbs isn't a common task), a work involving carrying heavy loads for an extended period of time should be more suited to (buff) men; maybe a (very buff) woman would also be fit for the task, but that'll be an exception rather than a rule.

Though if we get into actual examples of works involving heavy and regular lifting, they're going to be unsafe for both women and men, and it'll only be about whose arms (or shoulders, etc...) break first.

[Kael]

Originally posted by ℜ | DDRMANIAC007:

OP is a master troll. Well done.

thanks man. im also thinking about to build a "i will offend you" mod where men and women have different starting abilitys because they are men or women.

[MagnusGrey]

No, this is pretty basic, low hanging fruit trolling. Pretty much boils down to:

1) Say something stupid to get attention (In the form a a fake question 2 minutes of googling would have awnsered [no children in game, men and women work the same]).
2) Just keep talking.

[King Maelstrom the Esoteric]

Originally posted by gabgab01:

wakka wakka

I didn't miss your other comments. I saw no need to respond to those.

Maybe it is a joke, but I've known plenty of people that don't believe there are differences between males and females, and I am tired of the media spreading those lies.

I didn't say anything about roles. You might want to re-read what 'I' said.

Whether gender roles are right or wrong is your opinion. It is not necessarily shared by anyone else.

1. I didn't mention role. However, the dictionary defines 'role' as "a socially expected behavior pattern usually determined by an individual's status in a particular society."
2. I believe women are incapable of surviving within molten lava, for example. Yes. I believe there are things more suited to men, and other things more suited to women. I believe fathers should be male, and mothers, female, for example.
3. No one has to act a certain way for any reason. Societal rules, however, make things easier for everyone. Throw them out the window, and get anarchy, which is not something anyone truly wants.

[FrankTheMagicPotato]

hey guys maybe lets stop now, as Knight and Boink just got banned sooooo. they both deserved it. also, i've seen knights rants about this game, but is boink also known as an offender on these servers?

[MagnusGrey]

Originally posted by FrankTheMagicPotato:

hey guys maybe lets stop now, as Knight and Boink just got banned sooooo. they both deserved it. also, i've seen knights rants about this game, but is boink also known as an offender on these servers?

Yes, pretty crazy stuff from both. This guy is less crazy and more pure troll (comments like "I'm tired of the media pretending both genders are the same" are pure trolling garabage), as he clearly researched this issue before posting the first time.