You should really be able to harvest organs from the freshly dead

[Gojak_v3]

Say like within half a day of being killed. My guy needs a new lung. His moving, manipulation, everything is massively impaired cause he only has one working lung. I killed a group of raiders 5 seconds ago. I should be able to harvest their organs. I mean in real life they take organs from people that just died. But no, in this game I have to be all evil like and harvest organs from the living.

I've got like a 70 year old colonist that I only set to research (he has like 18 in the skill). I'm wondering if I can take one of his lung without some kind of penalty (mood and/or social). He just sits at the research table all day so it's the best option I have. But idk if you can harvest a colonists organs without some kind of penalty.

[AlP]

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I saw a recommendation on how to "deal" with the situation. Basically disarm them, draft them, then send them to attack a predator animal, and you don't get a mood penalty when they die that way. Can anyone confirm?

Colonist euthanized, died or banished is -3 for 6 days.

[martindirt]

Now I'm really feel your pain bro.
My hunter / warrior (shooting lvl 13, melee lvl 12; low because only at the end of first year) got perma brain DMG from a drop pod raider's glock. (Brain 2/11). Consciousness: 12% (almost dead, but currently not more, just a potato).
I'm waiting for a healer mech serum quest, or a trader with evolved brain (evolved organs mod).

[Gojak_v3]

Turns out moving and manipulation aren't affected by consciousness as much as I thought they would be (the colonist is as fully healed as he's gonna get). He is over 80% manipulation with only one bionic arm, and over 70% movement with one bionic leg. So I think with another bionic arm and leg and can get those to like 90% and 80% respectfully. Consciousness also seems to have no impact on construction speed/success rate (which is what the colonists specialty is).

[BlackSmokeDMax]

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Mods will solve that

^^ This is the answer ^^

The biggest reason you can't harvest organs just after a pawn dies is game balance. Allowing that would throw the economy of the game way out of wack.

Add a mod and play how you like. Just don't expect the dev to change the game. Game balance NEEDS to override realism in a shipping game. IMO.

[AlP]

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Consciousness also seems to have no impact on construction speed/success rate (which is what the colonists specialty is).

Consciousness affects manipulation, which affects both construction speed and success.

[crgzero]

I never mentioned "permission" during an organ harvest as it's implied, at least in the U.S., if you're having you're organs harvested it's with permission. Some people just LOOK FOR ANY excuse to be contrary.

And by all the time, I also don't mean every minute of every day. Maybe that wasn't the right word to use, it definitely was NOT the wrong word to use either.

Different organs can stay in the body for different lengths of time after death. kidneys can last up to 48 hours and still be good as an example with the heart being the least viable at up to 4 hours but that's seriously pushing it.(i DO NOT trust the info about hearts) Although different sources claim different info.

But what the,,,,, "ignorant" individuals in this thread ARE CONSISTENTLY FAILING TO RECOGNIZE is the technology gap between modern day medicine and the tech being employed in the Rimworld universe and constantly trying to shoehorn real world science into said universe.

[AlP]

It's not the "individuals" that are ignorant here. OP literally claims "in real life they take organs from people that just died", which is not how it works in real life.

[Morkonan]

Just an added note on "death:"

We tend to think of this term in "absolutes." But, for Organ Donation, the critical pass is "Legally Dead." There are a number of ways that is codified. There are also extenuating circumstances - A person who is legally dead after taking an overdose of drugs is not likely going to be chosen as a liver donor no matter if they're an Organ Donor or not. Likewise, hearts with holes in them due to large caliber bullets don't make for good transplant candidates. The suitability of an organ for transplant, AFTER the donor has been declared legally dead, is what determines how/when/why that organ is harvested.

There is a network for the coordination of donor candidates and recipients in the U.S. AFAIK, that is separate from any sort of "donation to medical science" sort of donor requests, but that may also be something determined State-by-State in the U.S.

Note: We are somewhat weird compared to some other countries where certain laws and legal processes are concerned in that individual States can have very different laws when they are not covered by Federal Law. There are States in which, for instance, it may be possible to harvest organs from patients with terminal status, but who are not yet legally "dead."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU0d8kpybVg

[Gojak_v3]

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It's not the "individuals" that are ignorant here. OP literally claims "in real life they take organs from people that just died", which is not how it works in real life.

Right I totally forgot they take hearts for transplant from people all the time. And they totally aren't dead.

[Bozobub]

Oh, good lord.

• Only those listed as organ donors can be harvested from, *unless* a) the next of kin agrees and b) there is no legal directive otherwise. Most people DO NOT donate.
  
  
• No, they generally don't harvest organs from people with trauma to the chest cavity, although yes, they DO occasionally harvest from those shot in the head.

Yes, occasionally it's possible IRL to use the organs of someone whom has died by violence, beyond the corneas, but most often not. Pretending it's common is an ignorant fail. Don't make factual claims you cannot support, that simple; you WILL be called on it.

[AlP]

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It's not the "individuals" that are ignorant here. OP literally claims "in real life they take organs from people that just died", which is not how it works in real life.

Right I totally forgot they take hearts for transplant from people all the time. And they totally aren't dead.

They only take organs while the blood is still pumping through them, not after the heart stopped for a long period of time. The person is braindead, so dead, but they still keep the body working until the harvest team is ready to work on it.

[Gojak_v3]

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Right I totally forgot they take hearts for transplant from people all the time. And they totally aren't dead.

They only take organs while the blood is still pumping through them, not after the heart stopped for a long period of time. The person is braindead, so dead, but they still keep the body working until the harvest team is ready to work on it.

Point being you went way off topic with one sentence in my post that really had nothing to do with what I was asking. I don't really care if it was correct or not. Most people in the topic understood what I was asking about, and actually helped out. I just don't get the need of some people on the internet to take something so minor, that wasn't even really at the heart what I was asking, and just blow it up and run with it. I simply don't care, most the others didn't either. They were able to figure out what I was asking without getting hung up on it.

[Bozobub]

You still made a BS claim, as you attempted to justify your silliness.

[Gojak_v3]

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You still made a BS claim, as ypu attempted to justify your silliness.

It really wasn't. As another poster pointed out it's more a grey area than an area of absolutes. Do they take organ from dead people? Yes, no, maybe. They are all correct cause it's a grey area.

And I get time is a major factor when taking organs. Which is why I said in my OP within like half a day. Plus the game takes place in a universe where humans have more tech than we currently have, so it's not some crazy stretch. I mean there is literally an item that will bring a dead person back to life in the game...

[martindirt]

We suggested many mods what would solve your problem.
Vanilla game don't has this option - you have to live with it. If you want to harvest organs vanilla, you have to capture a living donor. Or you can install one of those mods.
IRL =/= IG univers.