Tree sowing in 0°C temps

[PenderBloodfart]

I was wondering why i can't grow pinetrees in <0°C temps. Pinetrees can hold up to -90 or even more, which seems all plants in the game have been set to minimum of 0 but it seems to be more of a quick placeholder they forgot to change.

[Malli]

If all plants had more realistic numbers for temperature then winter wouldn't be very hard, All you would have to do is keep cols warm and that's it. But i do agree with the trees.

[PenderBloodfart]

Originally posted by Leani ♡:

If all plants had more realistic numbers for temperature then winter wouldn't be very hard, All you would have to do is keep cols warm and that's it. But i do agree with the trees.

Right now i'm in an area where it's rarely above 0°C

[LIMP BISQUICK]

“Help! Colonists keep getting hypothermia while sowing trees.” Kind of thing dev likes to do so I’m surprised it’s not that way.

[M.K.]

Because pine trees DO NOT grow in sub-freezing temperatures? Really they don't.

They *survive* just fine in a freeze, but do not grow.

Seedlings (which would be what you plant!) require temp above about 3C, warmer preferred.

[PenderBloodfart]

They totally do grow. They only require higher temperatures when still in plant form.

[M.K.]

Originally posted by Pender:

They totally do grow. They only require higher temperatures when still in plant form.

Still in plant form?

I don't think Lumber, or paper grows well. Or are you referring to icicles on the trees?
(which, *by the way* also require temperatures above freezing, as then only grow from liquid water!)

[Legion]

Originally posted by M.K.:

Because pine trees DO NOT grow in sub-freezing temperatures? Really they don't.

They *survive* just fine in a freeze, but do not grow.

Seedlings (which would be what you plant!) require temp above about 3C, warmer preferred.

Incorrect. There are various pines that actually grow in -50F (-45.6C). I suggest you doing some research instead of harassing people like you've been doing lately.

https://www.hunker.com/12491535/what-climates-do-pine-trees-need-to-grow

[narf03]

it doesnt really matter cause the developers decide the rules, they can make chicken stronger than lion or rat can fly. Just stick to the set rule of the game and dont question it.

In this game, once temperature < 0, trees stop growing, you cant do ♥♥♥♥ about it, u cant make roof so heater wont work, so u cant really change the temperature, there is no green house effect too, so u cant do ♥♥♥♥ about it but just hope the temperature rise, which is completely random.

If you need wood, dont expect u can depends on growing trees, better get something else then trade it for wood, like get stones, turn them into art, sell them, buy wood. then use the wood to make more art, get even more wood, but you will need good art skill. Or slaughter and skin your enemy, skin and human meat has good selling value, but will affect mood of your ppl.

[PenderBloodfart]

Originally posted by narf03:

it doesnt really matter cause the developers decide the rules, they can make chicken stronger than lion or rat can fly. Just stick to the set rule of the game and dont question it.

In this game, once temperature < 0, trees stop growing, you cant do ♥♥♥♥ about it, u cant make roof so heater wont work, so u cant really change the temperature, there is no green house effect too, so u cant do ♥♥♥♥ about it but just hope the temperature rise, which is completely random.

If you need wood, dont expect u can depends on growing trees, better get something else then trade it for wood, like get stones, turn them into art, sell them, buy wood. then use the wood to make more art, get even more wood, but you will need good art skill. Or slaughter and skin your enemy, skin and human meat has good selling value, but will affect mood of your ppl.

Ok this MIGHT be the most retarded thing i've heard EVER on the internet in my 25 years of life.
"this is what the devs decided so suck it". Long live EA and Ubisoft ay?

[Morkonan]

Originally posted by Pender:

...Ok this MIGHT be the most retarded thing i've heard EVER on the internet in my 25 years of life.
"this is what the devs decided so suck it". Long live EA and Ubisoft ay?

Uh... While I don't agree with anyone's use of insults and the like, narfo03 does have a point - The game has rules and you have tools to overcome them in order to achieve goals in the game...

That's what "games" are. You learn the rules the developer has designed to manipulate the tools the developer has given you so that you can then achieve the desired goals. Those goals can be your own, like in a sandbox game, or built into the game, like an RTS. Or, both, like one-shotting your friend in an FPS... The "rules" of the game aren't required to be realistic or obey any standards other than their own. Though, it does help if they're sensible and easy to understand.

I have no idea why Ubisoft or EA is mentioned... I guess some kind of moral/ethics thing? It really doesn't lend any weight to your reply, though.

I have read many crazy things posted on teh interwebz, even before teh interwebz, and narf03's post doesn't even come close to being memorable. It's actually a basic description of what a game "is."

Note: You could mod your game, use the devtools, change some variables with a text editor and the like to make a lot of changes to how the game works. Maybe you could even mod the game so that a certain type of rock chunk will produce wood when used with a "Rock to Wood Crafting Bench" mod? :)

[M.K.]

Originally posted by Nomadic:

Originally posted by M.K.:

Because pine trees DO NOT grow in sub-freezing temperatures? Really they don't.

They *survive* just fine in a freeze, but do not grow.

Seedlings (which would be what you plant!) require temp above about 3C, warmer preferred.

Incorrect. There are various pines that actually grow in -50F (-45.6C). I suggest you doing some research instead of harassing people like you've been doing lately.

https://www.hunker.com/12491535/what-climates-do-pine-trees-need-to-grow

Reading comprehension.
Please develop some, and then read that article again.

[Slye_Fox]

Make a grow room.
A largish room that's heated, with a hole above each tree grow spot(remember tress can't be planted next to each other).
If you do the room size to hole # right, you'll have an indoors room that will retain heat but still allow tree growth.

[Morkonan]

Originally posted by M.K.:

Reading comprehension.
Please develop some, and then read that article again.

The article basically says... nothing. I saw the host and figured it was just another "I Googled something" link, so didn't bother reading it at all. I'm not disappointed in that earlier choice after having now read it. :)

This post/page has a cool vid: https://www.howplantswork.com/2014/01/29/how-trees-survive-extreme-cold-or-not/


But, basically, for the curious - We're all made out of stuff that often includes water. Water freezes at 0deg C or thereabouts, depending on stuffs. And, to make the water in them not freeze so it doesn't kill them, plants have to "do something." (Just like we would have to do, too.)

So... and just in my opinion. (The link basically just talks about "surviving" not "growing in freezing temperatures.")

That extra effort to prevent freezing costs something. When there's a large amount of effort required to do something, other things often don't get done, like devoting energy to "growing." That doesn't mean that all species stop growing when they've reached the pinnacle of effort needed to reduce the chance of freezing to death, but it usually means they don't have a lot of energy to devote to growing.

So, what does a tiny little seed need to do in order to "grow" in freezing temperatures? A bunch. So much so that it might be a better design decision for the seed to wait until conditions are favorable. What about a planted sapling? Well, it probably doesn't have a bunch of stored energy lying around to devote towards "not dying." In fact, it may have expended whatever energy it had on rapidly growing in order to grow enough to not die as soon as possible? Maybe it's just tired and can't devote a lot of energy towards making sure it doesn't freeze to death.

I imagine there are a few "trees" that still "grow" a bit during periods of long freezing. But, they're probably specialists and they would certainly have special ways of storing/gathering energy to use for that while still devoting energy to prevent from actually freezing. Maybe the Pine Trees in Rimworld are just not that kind of species of Pine Trees? :)

Originally posted by Slye_Fox:

Make a grow room.
A largish room that's heated, with a hole above each tree grow spot(remember tress can't be planted next to each other).
If you do the room size to hole # right, you'll have an indoors room that will retain heat but still allow tree growth.

I'd be interested in seeing that. (I don't normally play on the ice-sheet, so haven't tried it.) I don't know if you could make such an indoor/outdoor room in Rimworld that would retain enough heat during something like a Cold Snap or in freezing conditions. Rimworld loves to equalize temps as quickly as it can. (Note that indications during pause vs unpaused play can be very different, as it takes a game tick to equalize temps.)

[M.K.]

Trimmed for brevity, not to eliminate content.

Originally posted by Morkonan:

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I imagine there are a few "trees" that still "grow" a bit during periods of long freezing. But, they're probably specialists and they would certainly have special ways of storing/gathering energy to use for that while still devoting energy to prevent from actually freezing. Maybe the Pine Trees in Rimworld are just not that kind of species of Pine Trees? :)
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Thank you for that intelligent, reasoned response.
Wish more people took the effort to do so.

[corisai]

Originally posted by Pender:

Pinetrees can hold up to -90 or even more

O_O

Most widespread steel alloys will became too brittle to use even around -70 C (203K) - they will literaly break in your hands under minimal pressure or from light impacts.

So no, you're horribly wrong here.