Smelting is Construction Exp?

[Seriously Unserious]

I just assigned a pawn to do a smelting metal job, and the guy has 0 skill, 0 exp in crafting, and when he finished the job he got no exp to crafting from doing that, which in itself doesn't make any sense. Remembering the changes to stonecutting, I watched him do the next smelting job, and looking at his construciton exp, and I could swear I saw it actually go up by 20 pts.

WFT, why the hell would smelting metal be a CONSTRUCTION EXP gainer?! That makes absolutely no sense at all! There is no reality on Earth where smelting has anything at all to do with Construction. It's always been defined as a craft skill. It should be giving Exp to the crafting skill.

This split opens the door for so many gameplay and other possible issues.

What happens if a persong has crafting disallowed but can do construction? Does this mean the person can't do that crafting task at a crafting workbench? What about a person who has construction disabled but can do crafting? Does that mean while the person can technically do the job, they'll never get any better and can never learn anything about jobs like this? Does it mean they need to be capable fo both construction AND crafting to be able to do these jobs? It just opens the door up for so much weirdness and IMO both required skill and exp gain should go to the same skill.

I'd love to fix this in a mod, but as I've mentioned elsewhere, I don't know where the exp definitions are stored and I have searched for them. Does anyone know where I can find these definitions so I could do a quick mod for this?

[Zalzany]

What? So you should learn how to sew, and craft guns from watching things melt in an automated furnice... Honestly it should not give any real exp as you could train a 12 year old to do it if were not for pesky labor laws, then just hand them some leather sleeves to minimise the scarring on them. And if you can't do crafting, and can do construction just means can't smelt. Its never bad idea to have a back up builder as your original with out smelting or cuttign stones shoudl be at like 18-20 if you did it right with random rolls picking out one who loves to build by the time you need to smelt things.

Also isn't smelting a hauling job? I mean can't confirm that but I always assumed smelting and refining was just a hualing task since with that nice fancy electric furnace and what not you not doing any advance labor just brining ♥♥♥♥ to the station and hauling the end resualt back to the stock pile. I mean that is what a mod should do make it a hauling job with no skill gain...

Stone cuttign yeah you should get real exp for that nothing to write home about as these not master craftsman skills you are just cutting them into building blocks so really not learnign trade skill minus a concstruction one, as I know real life brikmason and why they do try to pretend they are artists and crafters its still 100% conctructtion skills, and don't transfer to any thing else. I mean you could argue they coudl learn to sulpt art easier, but in reality if they got no art skill they really can't learn it eiaser they could just cut you some basic ♥♥♥♥ and call it art...

Just like not all smiths can craft you an oranmental sword of highest caliber, but most can make you a cheap peice metal art if you convince them to. But that is just my two sense from working as a wage slave most my life and spending time with "skilled labor" which includes brick masons, and even a few blacksmiths who could making you jack art wise with out simply taking printer paper putting over a beezwax coverd sword and cuting lines with something tracing the print out to acid dip it to etch a sword, or other itme they can build in their sleep. Ask them to make a metal rose I seen some people make with a anvil and hammer, and well it be poor quality at best lol.

But every time someo ne says a construction skill should be crafting I think of people who think a master smith should be able to craft art peieces.

[kevinshow]

It just depends on the game. Nothing wrong with how one game considers crafting/building/construction to be the same skill and another decides it shouldn't be. I'm sure the change was made in RW so that people won't become level 20 -- or close to it -- crafters just from hewing stone.


But there is definitely confusion if things are not apparent, such as stone cutting using the construction skill when we had prioritized the pawn to do crafting, thinking that was the skill.

[Vertibird]

Omg, I am using my crafter to cut stone at workbench. Terrible bug indeed. This should be changed ASAP.

[Seriously Unserious]

Originally posted by TOG Zalzany:

Stone cuttign yeah you should get real exp for that nothing to write home about as these not master craftsman skills you are just cutting them into building blocks so really not learnign trade skill minus a concstruction one

A highly skilled stonecutter may not be an artist, as sculpting and stonecutton are 2 completely different skills. But the level of skill it takes to cut a rock streight and perfectly square the sides and corners should not be overlooked. Many of the skilled stonecutters of ancient Egypt and other civilizations of that era silled in engineering could cut stones streighter by hand then we can today, even with all our fancy machines and gadgets. In many cases so streight and squared that you can't fit a razor blade between them, even with a few thousand years of errosion. I'd say that's definitely a ligitimate craft.

Originally posted by TOG Zalzany:

Just like not all smiths can craft you an oranmental sword of highest caliber

That's the difference between a master craftsman and an amateur or apprentice. Also there is other branches of metalworking that specializes in making very fine detailed works out of metal, they're called Goldsmiths, Jewlers, Guilders and so on. They focus more on the artistic metalworking. Still, a master blacksmith could make an ornate wroght iron grille or iron rose if commissioned to do so, and do it very well. Guess who actually made those fancy, ornate wrought iron fences and gates of ye olden times?