Does anyone else think short circuits are stupid?

[Spyderborg]

I got sick of them so I disabled them entirely. I just don't feel like they add anything to the game. They happen waaaaay too often, and they're not even challenging; they're just annoying. Starts a small fire, burns a couple things down and it is just a chore to keep repairing things over and over. They don't make any logical sense either; in real life wires don't just arbitrarily "short circuit", and even if they did, it would be the battery that explodes, not the stupid wire.

I quite enjoy the other events. But this is the single one that I will not miss.

[Mytheos]

Originally posted by Ashardalon:

or there should just be fuses in vanilla

i tend to build in mountains and when connecting to geothermals outside i can either get my cables burned every raid or i run them trough tunnels in the mountain
but those are ugly, i prefer to fill them up
but even the smallest battery explosion will ruin the cable, the cable that is protected by literally an entire mountain with nothing touching them, nothing weakening them, that i now need to deconstruct and then refill 50 tiles of wall just to repair
how is a fuse sutch a wondrous piece of archeotech that we cant expect our colonists to build it? its literally just a weaker piece of cable so that when it explodes it explodes there and not in the middle of a mountain
i dont even mind the powerdrain ,i tend not to use turrets , just some traps, proper cover and amazing assault rifles
why do tunnels in real life that have powercables running trough then have fuses at the front and back? so that you dont have tunnels filled with fire, because those are dangerous even if there is nothing but a cable to burn
fuses!!! they are not a marvelous archeotech gift of the Omnissiah!!
they are just a weak piece of cable!
how are we inventing microelectronics and interstellar comunication but cant build a weak cable?!?!

Make the wall 3x thick with the cable in the middle to protect geothermal lines from raiders, or add a wall on the outside of the line if they cant reach the inside.

[Ashardalon]

i already do but redundancy is not an option, its mandatory
so i build tunnels because its nicer and fuses arnt quantum physics
its just a weaker cable

that also distracts raids too much, making them take days and force you to spend the entire next day repairing all the walls they half beat down
it would be far more efficient if i could just run them double trough the moutain
and have a damn fuse
its just a weaker cable

[Mytheos]

Originally posted by Ashardalon:

i already do but redundancy is not an option, its mandatory
so i build tunnels because its nicer and fuses arnt quantum physics
its just a weaker cable

that also distracts raids too much, making them take days and force you to spend the entire next day repairing all the walls they half beat down
it would be far more efficient if i could just run them double trough the moutain
and have a damn fuse
its just a weaker cable

Sure no one is questioning the logic, but its just a game mechanic you have to deal with...its alpha so I am sure power isnt final either.

Could change it to "Ancient Weapon Discharge", a faulty ancient weapon has stored enough energy to discharge causing your batteries to be drained, and their energy directed at a random point throughout your power grid potentially causing damage or fires.

Would that make it better?

[Ashardalon]

"Could change it to "Ancient Weapon Discharge", a faulty ancient weapon has stored enough energy to discharge causing your batteries to be drained, and their energy directed at a random point throughout your power grid potentially causing damage or fires."

litteraly what a fuse is designed to prevent
too much current going to someplace, break the weak wire before something valuable gets damaged
there just needs to be fuses, thats it
they would still explode violently when there is too much stored and would need research and would stlll drain all your power,and possibly need plasteel or components to repair
but the random running around repairing wires, the regularly checking your grid to find the tiny gaps its just annoiing
the need for components would be a good balance, either you get random explosions with no sence at all like you like but they only require 1 steel or you can be a sencible person and use fuses like people do in civilized countries and require a component every now and then
... that sounded more insulting than was my intention, my apologies it was not intended

[Mytheos]

Originally posted by Ashardalon:

"Could change it to "Ancient Weapon Discharge", a faulty ancient weapon has stored enough energy to discharge causing your batteries to be drained, and their energy directed at a random point throughout your power grid potentially causing damage or fires."

litteraly what a fuse is designed to prevent
too much current going to someplace, break the weak wire before something valuable gets damaged
there just needs to be fuses, thats it
they would still explode violently when there is too much stored and would need research and would stlll drain all your power,and possibly need plasteel or components to repair
but the random running around repairing wires, the regularly checking your grid to find the tiny gaps its just annoiing
the need for components would be a good balance, either you get random explosions with no sence at all like you like but they only require 1 steel or you can be a sencible person and use fuses like people do in civilized countries and require a component every now and then
... that sounded more insulting than was my intention, my apologies it was not intended

Well it'd be an ancient and mysterious alien weapon that could drain power sources and focus them into a random area causing a detonation, *laugh*

[robotic_gamer]

You can also prevent short circuits by not building power conduits. ex

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=767572209

[jlrmarin]

Fuses should be in vanilla. Short circuits are realistic but as your technology gets better, they should become very rare, if not impossible. The other thing I don't like about short-circuits is that they currently lack logic.

I know it's a lot to ask, but the game should determine short-circuits based on energy consumption spikes/damage to areas with power lines. Like, currently a line will blow in a random colonist's room at night and kill them. While that's fine as a special Randy Random event, in general that should not be the case.

At the very least, allow fuses to be built to safeguard against such events through reserach/resource/design investment. Not that they should never happen even then, but the fuses should at least shut down power as a first defense when you have a dangerous energy situation under normal circumstances. You can leave the short circuit explosions to something related to damage or disrepair.

[Epic The Incandescent]

Originally posted by Ashardalon:

fuses need to be vanilla
if every house didnt have them this event would make a lot more sence to us
but they do
how has that tech been lost in the 3000years to rimworldtime

there is a mod that puts em in, rather nice too.
UNDERGROUND LEVELS WHEN DAMNIT?

[Mytheos]

Originally posted by jlrmarin:

Fuses should be in vanilla. Short circuits are realistic but as your technology gets better, they should become very rare, if not impossible. The other thing I don't like about short-circuits is that they currently lack logic.

I know it's a lot to ask, but the game should determine short-circuits based on energy consumption spikes/damage to areas with power lines. Like, currently a line will blow in a random colonist's room at night and kill them. While that's fine as a special Randy Random event, in general that should not be the case.

At the very least, allow fuses to be built to safeguard against such events through reserach/resource/design investment. Not that they should never happen even then, but the fuses should at least shut down power as a first defense when you have a dangerous energy situation under normal circumstances. You can leave the short circuit explosions to something related to damage or disrepair.

I understand what you mean, but again try not to look at it as anything other than a game mechanic.

Sure if you can build an AC you should be able to build a fuse.

The dev of this game isnt a fan of gameplay that revolves around having problems at the start, then giving the player things to fix those problem so mid/late game the player is bored and starting over.

So just researching fuses later to remove 90% of the game's power management difficulties is going against his whole design beliefs.

It'd be like researching a drug to make you immune to diseases so that eventually diseases were trivial, and a drug to 100% protect you from toxic fallout.

You trade a small bit of progression for ruining events by trivialization...and I really dont think that makes for good gameplay.

[Songbird]

Originally posted by jlrmarin:

I know it's a lot to ask, but the game should determine short-circuits based on energy consumption spikes/damage to areas with power lines.

That is called an overload and not a short circuit. Thats a huge difference, and sorry for picking you out, I know lots of other people don't understand the concept of electricity.

And why should short circuits not be possible anywhere? The people from the future still use wires and if a wire gets damged from lets say a muffalo walking on it a few hundred dozen times or if colonists drop ♥♥♥♥ on it, it could short circuit. Or wittering from weather effects.

The system ingame is very simple and understandable for most people, no reason to mess with it.

Someone actually proposed a smart change here: just use the walls and avoid putting wires on the floor.

And whats the next step after fuses to protect against overload and short-circuits? Do you want RCDs? Whats next up, magentic starters? It is a game for christs sake.

[Ashardalon]

Originally posted by Songbird:

Originally posted by jlrmarin:

I know it's a lot to ask, but the game should determine short-circuits based on energy consumption spikes/damage to areas with power lines.

That is called an overload and not a short circuit. Thats a huge difference, and sorry for picking you out, I know lots of other people don't understand the concept of electricity.

And why should short circuits not be possible anywhere? The people from the future still use wires and if a wire gets damged from lets say a muffalo walking on it a few hundred dozen times or if colonists drop ♥♥♥♥ on it, it could short circuit. Or wittering from weather effects.

The system ingame is very simple and understandable for most people, no reason to mess with it.

Someone actually proposed a smart change here: just use the walls and avoid putting wires on the floor.

And whats the next step after fuses to protect against overload and short-circuits? Do you want RCDs? Whats next up, magentic starters? It is a game for christs sake.

actually i have no problem with damaged wires blowing up, but a heavily fortified one in the middle of a mountain, walled over to prevent tectonic movement and there is no water yet so no erosion from that...
no it should not blow up

[Jimboblordofeskimos]

Originally posted by Songbird:

Originally posted by jlrmarin:

I know it's a lot to ask, but the game should determine short-circuits based on energy consumption spikes/damage to areas with power lines.

That is called an overload and not a short circuit. Thats a huge difference, and sorry for picking you out, I know lots of other people don't understand the concept of electricity.

And why should short circuits not be possible anywhere? The people from the future still use wires and if a wire gets damged from lets say a muffalo walking on it a few hundred dozen times or if colonists drop ♥♥♥♥ on it, it could short circuit. Or wittering from weather effects.

The system ingame is very simple and understandable for most people, no reason to mess with it.

Someone actually proposed a smart change here: just use the walls and avoid putting wires on the floor.

And whats the next step after fuses to protect against overload and short-circuits? Do you want RCDs? Whats next up, magentic starters? It is a game for christs sake.

If I can build automatic gun turrets with friend or foe detectors then im thinking RCDs are pretty simple. As is buried/raised electrical wires like we have been doing for about as long as we have had electricity for.
Even with a total amateur setting it up, shorts just pretty much never happen like that.
Moving on though..
Personally I never play without fuses, its an event that you can avoid with micro, and its a sort of micro that I find to be just annoying, ergo, Fuses all the way.

[Songbird]

Originally posted by Jimboblordofeskimos:

Originally posted by Songbird:

That is called an overload and not a short circuit. Thats a huge difference, and sorry for picking you out, I know lots of other people don't understand the concept of electricity.

And why should short circuits not be possible anywhere? The people from the future still use wires and if a wire gets damged from lets say a muffalo walking on it a few hundred dozen times or if colonists drop ♥♥♥♥ on it, it could short circuit. Or wittering from weather effects.

The system ingame is very simple and understandable for most people, no reason to mess with it.

Someone actually proposed a smart change here: just use the walls and avoid putting wires on the floor.

And whats the next step after fuses to protect against overload and short-circuits? Do you want RCDs? Whats next up, magentic starters? It is a game for christs sake.

If I can build automatic gun turrets with friend or foe detectors then im thinking RCDs are pretty simple. As is buried/raised electrical wires like we have been doing for about as long as we have had electricity for.
Even with a total amateur setting it up, shorts just pretty much never happen like that.
Moving on though..
Personally I never play without fuses, its an event that you can avoid with micro, and its a sort of micro that I find to be just annoying, ergo, Fuses all the way.

The problem is that those wires aren't in the earth, they are just laying on the ground. Technically speaking wires in the ground are a lot thicker which would result in your fuses not working properly. You'd have to use a fuse every time your wire is getting smaller, if you didn't your wires would start burning and the fuse wouldn't trigger until it is far to late if at all. Tynan would have to implement an electrical engineering stat or something to resemble this. You could also just say ♥♥♥♥ the advanced electrics stuff, but why implement fuses then?

Neverending circlejerk, imho just leave it as is. Implementing an item for the sake of stopping a special event is dumb, might aswell just remove the special event. What would be the plan for the fuse anyway? If you talk advanced stuff, I have been to houses with first generation no name circuit breakers covererd in 50mm of cobweb still working like they were new. Obviously those are boring, but wouldnt be changing regular fuses jsut repetitive or an automated act? Again why bother, they only affect a single special event.

[jlrmarin]

Originally posted by Songbird:

Originally posted by jlrmarin:

I know it's a lot to ask, but the game should determine short-circuits based on energy consumption spikes/damage to areas with power lines.

That is called an overload and not a short circuit. Thats a huge difference, and sorry for picking you out, I know lots of other people don't understand the concept of electricity.

And why should short circuits not be possible anywhere? The people from the future still use wires and if a wire gets damged from lets say a muffalo walking on it a few hundred dozen times or if colonists drop ♥♥♥♥ on it, it could short circuit. Or wittering from weather effects.

The system ingame is very simple and understandable for most people, no reason to mess with it.

Someone actually proposed a smart change here: just use the walls and avoid putting wires on the floor.

And whats the next step after fuses to protect against overload and short-circuits? Do you want RCDs? Whats next up, magentic starters? It is a game for christs sake.

EXACTLY!!! I want all those things! When a colonist drops his plate of potato muffalo a la boomrat on a wire, there should be consequences! BUT ONLY THEN! :3

[Songbird]

Originally posted by jlrmarin:

Originally posted by Songbird:

That is called an overload and not a short circuit. Thats a huge difference, and sorry for picking you out, I know lots of other people don't understand the concept of electricity.

And why should short circuits not be possible anywhere? The people from the future still use wires and if a wire gets damged from lets say a muffalo walking on it a few hundred dozen times or if colonists drop ♥♥♥♥ on it, it could short circuit. Or wittering from weather effects.

The system ingame is very simple and understandable for most people, no reason to mess with it.

Someone actually proposed a smart change here: just use the walls and avoid putting wires on the floor.

And whats the next step after fuses to protect against overload and short-circuits? Do you want RCDs? Whats next up, magentic starters? It is a game for christs sake.

EXACTLY!!! I want all those things! When a colonist drops his plate of potato muffalo a la boomrat on a wire, there should be consequences! BUT ONLY THEN! :3

Well my point was that you shouldn't make the base game overly complex in an area, essentially turning it into a simulator, leave that to modders. I'd rather have the dev team focusing on other thigns like simple water systems or maybe vehicles.