What am i missing here?

[forcecomdr]

Every mission goes to ♥♥♥♥.

It says disable cameras to avoid drawing suspicion.
I disable a camera and it draws suspicion.

subdue people to avoid drawing suspicion
i subdue people and it draws suspicion.

no matter what i do it ends up in a gun fight 30 seconds in.

It feels like the game wants to make you do stealth stuff, but everything you do seems to break stealth.

It seems like you have to avoid, or at least delay police action. But literally just walking into a place draws police action.

WTF am i missing here?

[PlebNC (UK)]

- By disable cameras, it means disable it via the camera monitor not the cameras themselves which is understandable why that would draw suspicion over disabling the monitor. Part of cameras is figuring out which cams are worth destroying, leaving alone or disabling. You can also disable individual cams for a while with a Cam Jammer equipment or all cams for 10 secs with a Camera Spy equipment.
- Subduing people does draw less suspicion compared to a dead body and doesn't get you a strike in stealth if it's a security guard/cop. You don't get strikes for kills if it's a gang member although any kills can impact heat and investigation increases. Moving tied up guards also draws less suspicion if spotted by another guard compared to seeing you hold a body bag.
- Do not give up. By learning what causes failure, you narrow down the possibilities to success.
Some mission are scripted to go loud regardless, either as a random event (e.g. warehouse robbery where gang has already looted it but they set off an explosion), scripted sequence (armoured truck cop ambush) or told to you ahead of time (loud only bank robbery). This also applies to stealth heists, e.g. armoured truck robbery but the truck has stopped and is open or stealth bank robbery but you spawn in the vault or outside it with the code and security already dealt with.
Remember: this is a rouguelite game. Failing alot is expected, but you will get stronger over time, whether through experience, skill or unlockables/boss perks.
- Different areas have different tiers of security (public, trespassing and restricted, etc). These impact what make guards and cams suspicions or outright hostile. For example public areas generally let you roam freely but some actions are still suspicious if observed by guards and cams like sprinting. Sometimes only certain areas are designated with these tiers, sometimes it covers the entire map. It's part of the learning experience.

[Lardo]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3269711161

[It's Adam Lazlow]

Destroying a camera is a strike
Disabling the entire camera system in the security room / main office is not a strike

Killing a guard with a melee attack / weapon bash is a strike
Shoving a guard with your interact key is not a strike

The base game tutorial with the jewelry store explains this, as far as I know you can't even skip it the first time you play the campaign

So, again. Don't destroy the cameras, don't kill the guards, go to the security office and disable the entire camera system, and a security guard needs to be subdued with the interact key when you are up close, not with a melee attack, or killed with a brick, or shot with a surpressed weapon

[B Dawg]

Bro didn't pay attention to the tutorial.

[Steve]

Originally posted by It's Adam Lazlow:

Destroying a camera is a strike
Disabling the entire camera system in the security room / main office is not a strike

Killing a guard with a melee attack / weapon bash is a strike
Shoving a guard with your interact key is not a strike

The base game tutorial with the jewelry store explains this, as far as I know you can't even skip it the first time you play the campaign

So, again. Don't destroy the cameras, don't kill the guards, go to the security office and disable the entire camera system, and a security guard needs to be subdued with the interact key when you are up close, not with a melee attack, or killed with a brick, or shot with a surpressed weapon

And don't run inside certain public areas or you'll alert guards too. Just try learn the game mechanism basics with multiplayer mode in normal difficulty until you get used to it

[xabre2th]

the tutorial.