how the hell do you beat roguelike

[IOUANAME]

I swear to gawd my guy I've lost this campaign 4 times in a row at day 10 I usually never have money when the investigation demands I pay 150k to set it back XD what should I be focusing on to complete this is blitzing their territory the key or should I focus on heists? And the thing that pisses me off most how do you kill a captain without alerting anyone when the bugger doesn't die to stealth hits

[Flavio93Zena]

Originally posted by Lardo:

Originally posted by Flavio93Zena:

Tutorial should help you massively with some more understanding of turf wars and such: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3269711161
Doesn't go into specific heist details, though. (Or I would have finished it next year)

That's great, you should pin it in a thread.

I'm not a moderator, I'm only a community beta tester, much like NLxAROSA a few posts above :)

[Charming Cthulhu]

Finish a big heist and buy all office assets. They unlock permanent perks which help a lot. Focus on perks that increase your army capacity and strength, then on perks that give you a better starting crew, and on perks that decrease Chuck Norris' investigation speed.

Do as many heists as you can. That's what gives you the money to finance the turf war. Avoid heisting with a full crew, especially on Low Risk. The smaller stealth heists can easily be done alone.

And when you attack territories, focus on those that give you new soldiers as rewards. Those are available immediately and can attack a different territory on the same day.

I beat the game on my second attempt after unlocking around 20 assets.

[Akameka]

Right. Trying to beat my first campaing in last difficulty and loud fights have been.... Interesting... ? I mean Bots mostly die during the first wave because they just cannot grab a freaking cover. It's a race against time before they lose all their lifes.

I mean, yeah Payday bots don't really grab cover either, but at least they have 15 000 HP until the player is downed. It was already not that great in normal difficulty, but in the last one, they just cannot survive any gunfight unless you're the one fighting while they are the one looting ( sloooooowly )

Also, if they aren't in their weapon's ideal range, they seems to not shoot at all ? And they can't kill a shield user at all because that require shooting at a specific point and they cannot do that, so you basically have to babysit them in each assault in the case there are shield user that engage them.

[imag2OOO]

Originally posted by Roy:

The AI is just a huge problem.
Combining roguelike with absolutely suicidal and braindead AI is a frustrating challenge.

• Stand in the open without returning fire, eventually dying? Check
  
• Trying to 1v1 an attack helicopter with a pistol? Check
  
• Run towards a horde of SWAT only to throw their duffle bags of loot at them? Check
  
• Get stuck on walls, windows and doorframes? Check
  
• Refuse to bring loot to the van when ordered, but rush through laser beams cameras and guards to grab a bag in stealth mode? Check
  
• Run in front of you while you're trying to shoot someone, but not actually shoot back? Check
  
• Run around aimlessly in the open and hug grenades in turf wars? Check

I really like this game and i was initially blown away that the AI actually carries bags, but they're absolutely worthless.

I lost count of all the times they ran into the open for no reason and stood there to die, or all the times they snatch bags away from me as i try to grab them only to throw them into the middle of a moshpit.
None of this is improved at all by the roguelike not allowing a mission restart when AI does something out of pocket again. Their BS can cost you hours of gameplay.

if u quit the game during a mission it restarts the mission when u launch again so if ur last alive feel free to quit to basicly reset the mission and not lose a entire run to bs i had to do that so many times due to the helicopter not coming on some peir mission

[Flavio93Zena]

Originally posted by Roy:

The AI is just a huge problem.
Combining roguelike with absolutely suicidal and braindead AI is a frustrating challenge.

• Stand in the open without returning fire, eventually dying? Check
  
• Trying to 1v1 an attack helicopter with a pistol? Check
  
• Run towards a horde of SWAT only to throw their duffle bags of loot at them? Check
  
• Get stuck on walls, windows and doorframes? Check
  
• Refuse to bring loot to the van when ordered, but rush through laser beams cameras and guards to grab a bag in stealth mode? Check
  
• Run in front of you while you're trying to shoot someone, but not actually shoot back? Check
  
• Run around aimlessly in the open and hug grenades in turf wars? Check

I really like this game and i was initially blown away that the AI actually carries bags, but they're absolutely worthless.

I lost count of all the times they ran into the open for no reason and stood there to die, or all the times they snatch bags away from me as i try to grab them only to throw them into the middle of a moshpit.
None of this is improved at all by the roguelike not allowing a mission restart when AI does something out of pocket again. Their BS can cost you hours of gameplay.

Mostly skill issue :/ AIs cover you as much as you cover them, I covered this bit in the tutorial as well... Why are my bots never really dying and someone else's die all the time? Is it a different game? Nope, it's different bot equipment, position and cover fire.

[Mailer]

I'm not sure if I got this tip right, but I think that it is generally best to plan and execute heists and odd jobs first in a day, before you move on to capturing zones with your army at the end of it, since capturing a territory seems to also increase the heat for that day, whereas I don't think high heat actually influences that much for capturing turf.

I could be wrong, but initially this is what I found was the order of business that works best and makes jobs easier.

Generally, to win my first run at 13 Days on Normal, I tried to get as much done as possible on each day, always looking for opportunities to put my entire supply of soldiers to use, since it resets the next day. Sometimes the game recommends more soldiers than you really need if you are good with grenades and helping out in the fight.

Also, if you can afford to take the offense with your army, when an area is being attacked, it makes more sense to just counter-attack the attacking territory since it stops them attacking you if you take it over, lol.
It's more time-efficient this way since you also gain more territory while stopping them.

[Solarius]

Apparently the game is bugged and increases investigation by 12% every day regardless of how you complete missions. Killing detectives doesn't do anything.
So a new player always just has 10 days to finish the whole map which is impossible. Some people are saying in previous versions of the game they got to 30+ or even 40+ days, which would make it far easier of course.
Really hope the developer does something in that regard as currently the roguelite mode is just frustrating

[Lardo]

Originally posted by Solarius:

Apparently the game is bugged and increases investigation by 12% every day regardless of how you complete missions. Killing detectives doesn't do anything.
So a new player always just has 10 days to finish the whole map which is impossible. Some people are saying in previous versions of the game they got to 30+ or even 40+ days, which would make it far easier of course.
Really hope the developer does something in that regard as currently the roguelite mode is just frustrating

It's not bugged. Of course, investigation progress rises and that's intentional. I'm not sure about detectives, but before the last 2 patches they worked fine. Also, there are other methods, like completing bribing goals and killing key witnesses. It's not impossible to finish it after 10 days and new players aren't supposed to be able to easily win their first run.

[Flavio93Zena]

Originally posted by Solarius:

Apparently the game is bugged and increases investigation by 12% every day regardless of how you complete missions.

Not a bug, detective catches on to you.

Originally posted by Solarius:

Killing detectives doesn't do anything.

Status unknown, not sure whether it's intended or not, need to get a confirmation.

Originally posted by Solarius:

So a new player always just has 10 days to finish the whole map which is impossible.

Wildly wrong, it's more than possible, even following the tutorial I posted some messages ago should get you far enough.

Originally posted by Solarius:

Some people are saying in previous versions of the game they got to 30+ or even 40+ days, which would make it far easier of course.

And way too easy + long.

Originally posted by Solarius:

Really hope the developer does something in that regard as currently the roguelite mode is just frustrating

It's being played much more than MP due to how great it is so...

EDIT: pretty much what Lardo said but he posted quicker :D

[opvaskebjørn]

i struggled a lot at first. you're definitely not meant to win your first few runs no matter what strat you use, which i guess is kind of the nature of a roguelite.

after i got a few permanent upgrades and started accepting defeat just to invest more money into assets for extra boss xp for more perma upgrades, i started rushing the early game and taking out hielo in the first 2 days with having lvl 2 goons on day 2 and that made it significantly easier. i also usually don't bring many people to turf wars because i figure i'll be killing most guys anyway, you only need a few extra so you don't lose too much of your army and they can protect each other.

tldr just focus on taking as much territory as you can as soon as you can and completing the big heists. if you are going to heist, complete it before you claim territory if possible because claiming territories increases your heat.

[Mijkon]

when you start the game your characters are really bad. The whole point of roguelite gamemode is for you to try get as much progress possible to get perk card for next runs. Eventually every player will have more easy time to complete the run while other maybe even finished it 1st try.

[sbeve]

might as well start campaign in extreme difficulty, you get paid more, but just play stealth if possible, its definitely bugged, killing detectives should lowered the investigation but it did nothing right now

[Flavio93Zena]

Memeing will get you nowhere in game. Why can I do a full Cagnali Fortress or Gold Cup without a single down on extreme? Clearly I'm supporting my teammates more than you are :/
Don't think that just because you have bot teammates they are automatically godlike and somehow always getting you out of sticky situations no matter what, through grenades, shock troopers and heavy fire.

[Samz]

Originally posted by Roy:

Originally posted by Flavio93Zena:

Memeing will get you nowhere in game. Why can I do a full Cagnali Fortress or Gold Cup without a single down on extreme? Clearly I'm supporting my teammates more than you are :/
Don't think that just because you have bot teammates they are automatically godlike and somehow always getting you out of sticky situations no matter what, through grenades, shock troopers and heavy fire.

You're saying i expect the AI to be "godlike and get me out of sticky situations no matter what".

Meanwhile i'm saying they actively commit suicide by cop and try to scatter the loot in the middle of a SWAT team + they try to 1v1 attack helicopters instead of taking cover.

You're having an argument with yourself here because that's not what i said.

I love the mode but I can confirm the AI just breaks down sometimes, doing literally nothing as they are shot at.

[Flavio93Zena]

Originally posted by Roy:

Originally posted by Flavio93Zena:

Memeing will get you nowhere in game. Why can I do a full Cagnali Fortress or Gold Cup without a single down on extreme? Clearly I'm supporting my teammates more than you are :/
Don't think that just because you have bot teammates they are automatically godlike and somehow always getting you out of sticky situations no matter what, through grenades, shock troopers and heavy fire.

You're saying i expect the AI to be "godlike and get me out of sticky situations no matter what".

Meanwhile i'm saying they actively commit suicide by cop and try to scatter the loot in the middle of a SWAT team + they try to 1v1 attack helicopters instead of taking cover.

You're having an argument with yourself here because that's not what i said.

Because I know they just don't, out of sheer playtime.