FINAL FANTASY XIII-2

FINAL FANTASY XIII-2

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SkyMax May 15, 2018 @ 10:32am
Regarding FF13-2 Crash + FiX
System
Operating System: Windows 10 Enterprise
CPU: I7 6800k
Grpahics Card: GTX 1080
Ram: 16GB
Hard Drive: 500gb M.2 SSD

Before I begin, FF13 Series are great games, the replayability after soo long is a needed life saver for me, as lots of new games have been greatly disapointing, or too quick to complete.

I played through FF13 Series 2years ago when I first got my System, and never experience a singe crash, however that changed when I started my FF 13 series journey aweek ago.

Problems I had on FF13-2

Crash on Start up
Crash on Loading Saves
Crash on Cutscreen
Crash within Battles
Crash Randomly

I was never able get past Lightings intro.
Strange I never had these problems before?

How I tried to resolve issues
Reinstall and updated all DirectX drivers (FIXED NOTHING)

Reinstall Graphics Driver (FIXED NOTHIN)

Disable Steam overlay + Cloud Saves ( FIXED NOTHING)

System Performance set to high performance(FIXED NOTHING)

Nvidia control panel, set to high performance (FIXED NOTHING)

Unistalled Windows creators update (FIXED NOTHING)

4gb Ram Patch ( NOT FIXED ISSUE)

Windows 10 FF 13-2 Patch( NOT FIXED

Ran in all compatibility Settings ( NOT FiXED ISSUE )

Changed within game settings, Window mode, Fullscreen, changed to all differrent types of settings(FIXED NOTHING)

While System performnce and nvidia set to high does increase FPS drops, nothin fixed all the crashes listed above.

After a long night, and being very disappointed I coudn't continue my FF 13-2 journey, and I didnt want to jump to lighting returns.

I decided to go just abit deeper to find out the problem causing FF13-2 crash, as I never experience it before, for the 60+ hours I played it 2years ago.

LIST OF AREAS CAUSING GAME TO CRASH
DirectX
Windows creators
Newly update graphics driver

One of these were causing the issue.

DirectX: You cannot never reinstalling completely, if windows says it running fine when troubleshooting or updating, nothin will change, even if there is a issues with it

Windows Update: Yes, you can reinstalling it, however files remain, if a windows update cause a issue, only way solve this issue, is to use a recovery point before windows updated, or reinstall windwos completely :(

Graphics Driver: Sadly, Trying to Reinstall and back date this driver, with a windows updated machine, is frustrating as windows tends to reinstall a graphics driver soon as you boot into windows, and still doesn't fix any DirectX issues. So pointless backdating.

HOW I FINALLY GOT FF13-2 WORKING FLAWLESS 4k 60FPS

Reformated and Reinstall Windows.
Remove Ethernet Cable and Disable windows update the second you get into windows.
DO NOT GIVE WINDOWS A CHANCE TO CHECK FOR UPDATES! DO NOT TURN ON THE INTERNET UNTIL YOU HAVE DISABLED OR PAUSED UPDATES!

Install all Drivers that came with PC, For me Asus x99 Deluxe ii came with CD's for all drivers.

Do NOT Update graphics driver, to current version Use the Current one you got years ago, or find a graphics driver update when FF13-2 was release.

Download Steam, Download FF13-2, Once finished downloading and click play, It will update your DirectX, and Windows stuff needed to play the game.

By doing all this my system was in the Same state it was 2years ago, and FF13-2 Is now running flawless 4k 60fps.
Not a single Crash in hours of playtime.

So for all those players out their, thinking why the heck your FF13-2 Game is now Crashing. The problems lies on Windows Creators update, Or newly Installed Graphics Driver.
One of these two are bugging up DirectX 9 driver.




Last edited by SkyMax; May 16, 2018 @ 8:21pm
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Unseen May 16, 2018 @ 3:08am 
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1221218362

Well there is this patch fix but I'm assuming you are probably already aware of it.

It crashed a few times on my laptop but after installing this it never crashed again, altho... It did crash a few times on my main pc even after this fix during the last battles and some events in the augusta tower. But I'm assuming that's cuz my pc runs its really smooth and just can't handle all the activity at once so crash. That said its not a big issue for me anymore, the patch helped me a lot.

Let us know if the patch doesn't work for you tho.
Last edited by Unseen; May 16, 2018 @ 3:09am
SkyMax May 16, 2018 @ 4:44am 
Thanks for information.

Yes I done the 4gb Ram Patch ( NOT FIXED ISSUE)
Yes Tried Patch Above ( NOT FIXED )

I already Got FF13-2 to work, after doing a clean reinstall of windows, and avioded all windows update + 2018 Grpahic Driver update.

The problem lies within DirectX, The recent updates within 2018 have caused issues with FF13-2.

Noted in my early post, I played FF13-2 for 70+ Hours before in 2016 with no crashes.
Serafie1999AD May 16, 2018 @ 6:44am 
Originally posted by SkyMax:
System
Operating System: Windows 10 Enterprise
Grpahics Card: GTX 1080
Ram: 16GB
Hard Drive: 500gb M.2 SSD

You left out the most important piece of information, that is, your CPU. The game is heavily CPU bounded, and relies on powerful single-threaded performance, while massively underutilizing GPU, so your GPU doesn't really matter much with this game.
Surihix May 16, 2018 @ 3:38pm 
A very important point the op has not mentioned in his specs his CPU. this game runs on my rig at 1080p althought not 60fps but no crashes. reducing the shadows a bit low from the max setings makes the game run at 60. I can assure u the crashes r fixed with tht 4gb memory patch as its a memory issue with the game utilizing just 2gb. tht patch makes the game use 4gb of RAM and in the first place tht crash occured cuz of no more memory available after 2gb of RAM is utilized by the game. maybe crashes occured to u cuz of something else in ur system and definitely it must be windows updates not installed properly. the reset must have fixed it and u could have continued playing the game with the latest drivers and properly update windows too.

First off plz try understanding tht u need a CPU with a very good single threaded performance to run this game at 4k 60fps in max settings. u just cant say this X game runs better than this game and is demanding than this here as both r completely different games made by different devs and engines.

This game is a bad port from a PS3 console and was made with a problematic engine which forces the game to put all logic on a single core of ur CPU. to begin with, all of the FF13 games will originally run terrible for a modest mid end PC and FF13-3 is the only one which runs decently but again tht's cuz of reducing the graphics which is the devs not using tht post processing filter which this game and the first game used.

u might observe the graphics in this game and the first game to be pretty similar but the third one wont be and why is tht ? Cuz of these two games using tht post processing filter made by SE to work with the engine and the engine tries to achieve the result it by putting all these intensive logic on the single core of ur CPU. GPU is used less and it wont matter if u have a 1080ti, a TITAN Volta, a SLI setup or whtever powerul GPU u have. tht post processing filter was at a infancy stage in the first game and not tht demanding so the logic work was reduced for the CPU a bit and the game performed better. in the second game it is demanding and terrible since the logic work is increased and the CPU is unable to instruct the GPU fast enough to send the next frame with the filter applied. so wht happens then ? low fps, stutters, and lags. the third game tht filter was removed and the devs used another filter which made the graphics a bit dull but since the logic work is removed the game runs at 60fps effortlessly.

hope I made u understand how this game works.
SkyMax May 16, 2018 @ 8:14pm 
Operating System: Windows 10 Enterprise
CPU: I7 6800k
Grpahics Card: GTX 1080
Ram: 16GB
Hard Drive: 500gb M.2 SSD

I stated. I had already played this game 70+ hours, on this same computer 2years ago without any crashes, at 4k 60fps?
Ofcourse I would expect it to run 4k 60fps crash free 2years later.

I then noted all types of workaround I tried, which none worked. All these methods I never had to try before, it just worked flawlessly.

..........
I have already got FF13-2 running perfectly again, method of fixed is on 1st post.
I made this thread to let others know, how I got my game working, and what methods I tried to fix issue.

Extra note.
- FF13-2 Cpu usage: 7.5% When Game running at 4k 60fps.
You could run this game on some Desktops Intel I3 cpu, and still won't be bottleneck.


Last edited by SkyMax; May 16, 2018 @ 8:17pm
Serafie1999AD May 18, 2018 @ 4:43pm 
Originally posted by Scarred_X_Gamer:
u might observe the graphics in this game and the first game to be pretty similar but the third one wont be and why is tht ? Cuz of these two games using tht post processing filter made by SE to work with the engine and the engine tries to achieve the result it by putting all these intensive logic on the single core of ur CPU. GPU is used less and it wont matter if u have a 1080ti, a TITAN Volta, a SLI setup or whtever powerul GPU u have. tht post processing filter was at a infancy stage in the first game and not tht demanding so the logic work was reduced for the CPU a bit and the game performed better. in the second game it is demanding and terrible since the logic work is increased and the CPU is unable to instruct the GPU fast enough to send the next frame with the filter applied. so wht happens then ? low fps, stutters, and lags. the third game tht filter was removed and the devs used another filter which made the graphics a bit dull but since the logic work is removed the game runs at 60fps effortlessly.

This is interesting. I wonder if it would be possible to create a "defilter" patch to disable the postprocessing, or would that mess up the graphics?

My specs are:
Ryzen 7 1800X
Nvidia GTX 1070
16 GB RAM
Windows 10

LR stays at 60 FPS for probably 99% of the time. FFXIII stays at 60 FPS on the field, except the first screen of Nautilus tanks the frame rate to 30-40. The battle FPS drops to 30-40 against large mobs and during heavy spell animations. FFXIII-2 stays mostly at 60 FPS on the field. Some areas may drop the frame rate to 30-40, but that is mostly fixed by disabling the mini-map. Battles are at 60 FPS when there's nothing going on, but the frame rate drops to 30-45 FPS whenever there's a spell animation.

The performance of FFXIII-2 is an interesting case. We've usually assumed that the game is CPU bound and requires strong single-threaded performance to run smoothly. However, there's been a few topics on these forums where people with weaker CPUs have claimed performance that sounds too good to be true (such as FFXIII-2 having 50-60 FPS on an older rig). There's also been cases where an inferior GPU leads to better performance, using outdated drivers leads to better performance, and increasing graphics settings leads to better performance.

Here's my observations. In-game graphics settings don't seem to make much difference on the field. Having 16x AA and 4096x4096 Shadows seems to have the same performance as 2x AA and 512x512 Shadows. Only increasing the shadow resolution to 8192x8192 slows the game down. Forcing Ambient Occlusion (using Dead Space compatibility bit) and Sparse Grid Supersampling with Nvidia Profile Inspector slows the game down a bit, with the former reducing about 5 frames, and the latter reducing about 10 frames. Increasing the resolution from 720p to 1080p, 1440p, 2x DSR, 3x DSR and 4k reduces the FPS by 3-5 frames with each increase (so the frame rate will be about 15-25 frames slower on a 4k compared to 720p). This is usually a sign of being GPU bound, even though the game completely underutilizes the GPU. The way how the game handles 2D objects is also a mystery. Removing the mini-map usually increases the FPS by 10-20 frames, and there's also a performance boost if you use something like GeDoSaTo to disable the battle HUD. Unfortunately, the battles are unplayable without the HUD, so removing the HUD is not a viable solution. Overclocking the CPU from 3.6 GHz to 4.0 GHz helps a bit, by about 5-10 frames on the field. The settings in the Nvidia Control Panel seem to have the biggest impact on performance. If the game begins to slow down too much, I can often improve the performance by reinstalling the latest GPU drivers (doing a "clean install" to reset the Nvidia settings) and setting the power-saving setting to "Prefer maximum performance".
Archer333HK Jun 27, 2018 @ 5:22pm 
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=492809181
fix window 10 FFXiiiLauncher.exe full screen not work .
CelineLis Jul 2, 2018 @ 7:09am 
I was passing by and I see some morons who don't know how to update their pc..
so I'm gonna give you a tip
1: Update directX with the one in the game folder
E:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\FINAL FANTASY XIII-2\_CommonRedist\DirectX\Jun2010

2: added the file "ffxiii2img.exe" in the prevention of data execution, if you do not know or what it finds, go to the property system ->"Performance(parameter) -> Precise tab of the data execution, in the box from bottom clicked added, to the file cibez, saved your changes, restarted your PC and good games
Last edited by CelineLis; Jul 2, 2018 @ 7:10am
xXMasterJ360Xx Jul 20, 2019 @ 3:50am 
With my specs RTX 2080TI/i9 9900k
Like none of this makes any sense. XIII works fine in 4K ultra settings stable 60fps/Fullscreen yet XIII-2 crashes in Fullscreen no matter what resolution I use it only work in window mode. Reinstalling windows to get 1 game working is never I Repeat never a valuable solution.

UPDATE: My fix was simply close out of Riveratuner the game absolutely hates it for some reason while XIII is ok with it.
@Serafie1999AD You need a pretty high end CPU in order to get 60fps throughout the game as it relies on the CPU usage more than the GPU. If you are finding yourself to overclock them just to achieve a few more frames then that pretty much explains the issue itself.
Last edited by xXMasterJ360Xx; Jul 20, 2019 @ 4:23am
CelineLis Sep 8, 2019 @ 7:24am 
Originally posted by xXMasterJ360Xx:
With my specs RTX 2080TI/i9 9900k
Like none of this makes any sense. XIII works fine in 4K ultra settings stable 60fps/Fullscreen yet XIII-2 crashes in Fullscreen no matter what resolution I use it only work in window mode. Reinstalling windows to get 1 game working is never I Repeat never a valuable solution.

UPDATE: My fix was simply close out of Riveratuner the game absolutely hates it for some reason while XIII is ok with it.
@Serafie1999AD You need a pretty high end CPU in order to get 60fps throughout the game as it relies on the CPU usage more than the GPU. If you are finding yourself to overclock them just to achieve a few more frames then that pretty much explains the issue itself.

here is my configuration, is this game runs at full speed without any slowdown, so no you don't need a top-of-the-range PC to play well with pretty pictures without slowing down, you just need to know how to use your PC without installing a ton of junk which they yes slows down the performance of a PC :

Operating System
Windows 10 Professionnel 64-bit
CPU
AMD FX-8300 19 °C
Vishera 32nm Technology
RAM
24,0 Go Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 666MHz (9-9-9-24)
Motherboard
MSI 970 GAMING (MS-7693) (CPU 1) 18 °C
Graphics
LG IPS FULLHD:€q8-@X,E (1920x1080@75Hz)
8192MB ATI Radeon RX 580 Series (MSI) 34 °C
Storage
111GB SanDisk SDSSDA120G (SATA (SSD)) 33 °C
931GB Seagate ST1000DM003-1ER162 (SATA ) 28 °C
931GB Seagate ST1000DM003-1SB102 (SATA ) 28 °C
Optical Drives
ELBY CLONEDRIVE SCSI CdRom Device
Audio
Périphérique High Definition Audio
CarbonMask Jul 30, 2020 @ 11:11am 
So I had the same issues now over time after buying the game in Steam. Decided to request money back and now installed the version without Steam. No issues anymore. Playing since 3 hours without any crash on highes resolution and without any performance issues.
chrcoluk Aug 5, 2020 @ 10:19am 
reinstalling directx, is a fools errand, never waste time doing that when having game issues.

What might help if you want to update your drivers again, is to see if its stable on the new drivers using ff13fix.
CelineLis Aug 8, 2020 @ 8:57am 
Originally posted by chrcoluk:
reinstalling directx, is a fools errand, never waste time doing that when having game issues.

What might help if you want to update your drivers again, is to see if its stable on the new drivers using ff13fix.

Here's something even more stupid than the re-installation of directX, once again thank you for reading the official information of the editor concerning this problem " Square : we are working on a big patch that fixes a lot of problems encountered by various players " so there's no need to talk about a solution, just wait.

personally on my side I don't have any playability issues with this game, tested on :
Windows 10 Professional 64-bit
AMD Ryzen 7 3.7GHZ 19 °C
Summit Ridge 14nm Technology
32.0GB Dual-Channel DDR4 @ 2666MHz
ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. PREMIUM A320M-K (AM4) 20 °C
8176MB ATI AMD Radeon RX 5700 (MSI) 35°C
Last edited by CelineLis; Aug 8, 2020 @ 9:02am
Cħ1rꝊn´ Mar 6, 2022 @ 1:24pm 
so step 1:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=492809181

i did it for:
-FFXiii2Launcher.exe and
-ffxiii2img.exe (\Steam\steamapps\common\FINAL FANTASY XIII-2\alba_data\prog)

step 2:
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIII-2

->Constant crashes throughout the game
->>4Gb Patch, then Patch:
-FFXiii2Launcher.exe and
- ffxiii2img.exe (\Steam\steamapps\common\FINAL FANTASY XIII-2\alba_data\prog)
d0x360 Apr 14, 2022 @ 6:20pm 
Originally posted by SkyMax:
System
Operating System: Windows 10 Enterprise
CPU: I7 6800k
Grpahics Card: GTX 1080
Ram: 16GB
Hard Drive: 500gb M.2 SSD

Before I begin, FF13 Series are great games, the replayability after soo long is a needed life saver for me, as lots of new games have been greatly disapointing, or too quick to complete.

I played through FF13 Series 2years ago when I first got my System, and never experience a singe crash, however that changed when I started my FF 13 series journey aweek ago.

Problems I had on FF13-2

Crash on Start up
Crash on Loading Saves
Crash on Cutscreen
Crash within Battles
Crash Randomly

I was never able get past Lightings intro.
Strange I never had these problems before?

How I tried to resolve issues
Reinstall and updated all DirectX drivers (FIXED NOTHING)

Reinstall Graphics Driver (FIXED NOTHIN)

Disable Steam overlay + Cloud Saves ( FIXED NOTHING)

System Performance set to high performance(FIXED NOTHING)

Nvidia control panel, set to high performance (FIXED NOTHING)

Unistalled Windows creators update (FIXED NOTHING)

4gb Ram Patch ( NOT FIXED ISSUE)

Windows 10 FF 13-2 Patch( NOT FIXED

Ran in all compatibility Settings ( NOT FiXED ISSUE )

Changed within game settings, Window mode, Fullscreen, changed to all differrent types of settings(FIXED NOTHING)

While System performnce and nvidia set to high does increase FPS drops, nothin fixed all the crashes listed above.

After a long night, and being very disappointed I coudn't continue my FF 13-2 journey, and I didnt want to jump to lighting returns.

I decided to go just abit deeper to find out the problem causing FF13-2 crash, as I never experience it before, for the 60+ hours I played it 2years ago.

LIST OF AREAS CAUSING GAME TO CRASH
DirectX
Windows creators
Newly update graphics driver

One of these were causing the issue.

DirectX: You cannot never reinstalling completely, if windows says it running fine when troubleshooting or updating, nothin will change, even if there is a issues with it

Windows Update: Yes, you can reinstalling it, however files remain, if a windows update cause a issue, only way solve this issue, is to use a recovery point before windows updated, or reinstall windwos completely :(

Graphics Driver: Sadly, Trying to Reinstall and back date this driver, with a windows updated machine, is frustrating as windows tends to reinstall a graphics driver soon as you boot into windows, and still doesn't fix any DirectX issues. So pointless backdating.

HOW I FINALLY GOT FF13-2 WORKING FLAWLESS 4k 60FPS

Reformated and Reinstall Windows.
Remove Ethernet Cable and Disable windows update the second you get into windows.
DO NOT GIVE WINDOWS A CHANCE TO CHECK FOR UPDATES! DO NOT TURN ON THE INTERNET UNTIL YOU HAVE DISABLED OR PAUSED UPDATES!

Install all Drivers that came with PC, For me Asus x99 Deluxe ii came with CD's for all drivers.

Do NOT Update graphics driver, to current version Use the Current one you got years ago, or find a graphics driver update when FF13-2 was release.

Download Steam, Download FF13-2, Once finished downloading and click play, It will update your DirectX, and Windows stuff needed to play the game.

By doing all this my system was in the Same state it was 2years ago, and FF13-2 Is now running flawless 4k 60fps.
Not a single Crash in hours of playtime.

So for all those players out their, thinking why the heck your FF13-2 Game is now Crashing. The problems lies on Windows Creators update, Or newly Installed Graphics Driver.
One of these two are bugging up DirectX 9 driver.


So so many things wrong here.

DirectX isn't your issue and you can install any version again if you want BUT modern games actually have DX installed in the games folder.

Windows update's can be uninstalled. Windows feature updates can be easily rolled back.

When you run DDU to install new gpu drivers you just check the box that blocks windows from installing them. Simple. You're also supposed to do it in safe mode.

Drivers from years ago aren't an option for anyone on a GPU newer than the 1000 series. Current driver's shouldn't (and don't) cause an issue if your GPU is a 2000 series or newer.

Trying to play at 4k on a 1080 is just a bad idea in general. Id know, I used to have one. Even on older games 4k is a big ask. Especially 4k60.

Don't install the ancient drivers from a CD. They usually are beta drivers with tons of security issues. Get the latest drivers. Drivers are backwards compatible. If anything it's the hardware that isn't compatible.

Next time before you go insane and do all that unnecessary garbage you should check the games pcgamingwiki page...

You should also do a fresh install of Windows, update ALL drivers, update Windows itself fully and then make an image so if you ever need to have a clean slate you can have a fully setup image in about 20 min or less. Then you just need to check for new gpu drivers and you're all set...

Don't install anything but Windows on your Windows drive. Get a different drive for your files, and swap.

Also don't buy prebuilts.

Lastly did you update your motherboard firmware? Chipset drivers? Properly setup your ram's cas timings and clocks? Are you overclocking your CPU, GPU or ram?

There are many reasons a game might not work... But the stuff you listed.. it's all bad advice and most of it is just factually wrong.

Windows ENT is your main issue. I can pretty much guarantee that you have a ton of policies setup wrong. Win ENT isn't made for gaming. It's made for companies to use for work. There gaming on it is a horrible idea and you will absolutely lose performance for doing so.

Go get a $10 Win 10 Pro CD key then upgrade to Win11 when Microsoft releases direct storage API.
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