Significane of Lara Dorren Mating With Elf?

[CURE]

I'm currently playing through the first two games again and I am wondering why the whole Elder Blood scheme supposedly didn't work out. Was it explained in the books that it was important for her to mate with an elf rather than a human? Because it seems like their little program of trying to create a super-child came to fruition considering that people still want to capture Ciri, and descendants of Lara Dorren are still really damn powerful and can bend space and time. I'm just going to assume it has something to do with the prophesy that all humans will die and only elves will remain, but the child's genes are muddied by a human father so therefore the child will die or some ♥♥♥♥.

And another thing, just now many people have Elder Blood? The books in Witcher 1 lead me to believe it's some sort of common thing to find children who can travel through time, and regular mages have to train them. And if that's the case, why is Ciri so special.

[GarnetFire17]

Ughh. There was long confusing explanation in the books. I THINK how it goes is that the Lara Gene can be dominant or recessive, and all Females in that lineage carry it. For it to be dominant it's needs a certain recessive gene from a male that is also a LD descenent. And Ciri's Mother and father were both LD's decendents and had the right Gene so Ciri is the only one in a very long time to have the dominant LD that gives her all the powers.

[CURE]

Does that mean that Ciri is the offspring of an incestious relationship? This is starting to remind me of Tekken for Christ's sake. So do you mean the genes from that regular schmuck Lara fornicated with deluded their genes and only a few of her ancestors get the powers. But it's not complete, they need to produce offspring with someone who has the other 'half' of the gene to complete it and create the super child?

But I still have the question, if at the time Lara was the only one with these genes, how could they produce a super child if it required two people from her own bloodline

[Ricardo]

That is not the case at all. It is not normal for a child to bend time and space to its own will. In the books only Ciri can do that (Therefore she is the only one with the Lara gene alive), and that is why she is so important. Alvin from the Witcher 1 is considered a "source" and does not have elder blood in his veins.

I took this passage directly from the book:

‘The problem lay in that Lara Dorren was no ordinary elf. She had an extraordinary

genetic makeup, the result of generations of effort. With the combination with other genes, of

course, elven, she should have given birth to a unique child. Conceiving with the seed of a

human buried that chance; she threw away the result of hundreds of years of planning and

preparation. Well at least we thought so. No one suspected that a mongrel born of Cregennan

could inherit something positive from their mother. No, a marriage so unequal could not

bring anything good...’

[CURE]

So I guess that means that they essentially decided who would screw who to create some genetically perfect being, and it was going according to plan until she decided that she wanted some human with average genes.

This raises a question, couldn't she have just tried again and mated with the genetically exceptional betrothed she was supposed to? I assume that never happened because the humans murdered her.

I think I sorta understand now though. They never planned on the incest thousands of years later, and it was just lucky. So does that mean that the Nilfgaardian emperor is of Elder Blood? I didn't know that.

[GarnetFire17]

The official line from Lara to Ciri goes. Lara -> Riannon --> Fiona ---> Corbett ----> Dagograd -----> Calthanthe ------> Pavetta -------> Ciri. Although at some point Falka kid got mixed up with Fiona's twins, and Falka was dead and Fiona was insane and they didn't know which kid so they basically just said they were all Fiona's to avoid a scandal. Later in the books Geralt finds out from Codhringer and Fenn foud out some things that indicated Fiona was actually Falka's kid. Don't ask me how Falka got Elder blood. And Don't ask me how Ciri's father got the specific gene he needed. That I don't remember.

[GarnetFire17]

Originally posted by Cure Optimism:

Does that mean that Ciri is the offspring of an incestious relationship? This is starting to remind me of Tekken for Christ's sake. So do you mean the genes from that regular schmuck Lara fornicated with deluded their genes and only a few of her ancestors get the powers. But it's not complete, they need to produce offspring with someone who has the other 'half' of the gene to complete it and create the super child?

But I still have the question, if at the time Lara was the only one with these genes, how could they produce a super child if it required two people from her own bloodline

No, it wasn't incest because we are talking about very distant relatives.

[GarnetFire17]

Originally posted by Thor:

Originally posted by readr00ster:

The official line from Lara to Ciri goes. Lara -> Riannon --> Fiona ---> Corbett ----> Dagograd -----> Calthanthe ------> Pavetta -------> Ciri. Although at some point Falka kid got mixed up with Fiona's twins, and Falka was dead and Fiona was insane and they didn't know which kid so they basically just said they were all Fiona's to avoid a scandal. Later in the books Geralt finds out from Codhringer and Fenn foud out some things that indicated Fiona was actually Falka's kid. Don't ask me how Falka got Elder blood. And Don't ask me how Ciri's father got the specific gene he needed. That I don't remember.

no no, Fiona wasn't Falka's kid. Just read that part yesterday or the day before yesterday, Fiona was Riannon's daughter. Her "sister" was Falka's daughter.

I think that whole Falka story only made the whole thing harder to understand though, if he'd just left that out, then this whole story would be much easier to figure out.

So Cod and Fenn just messed up? Adela was Falka's kid? Because it sounded like at the time no one was sure.

[GarnetFire17]

so it's in the fourth book? Because I still have them in my kindle so I can look it up.
And the explanation of the geneology is near the end of the third book? Wasn't it Phillipa that was explaning it to the lodge memebers?

[GarnetFire17]

Okay I found the Cod and Fen "discovery" Something about Lara Dorren cursed the mother Falka and her desecdants for 10 generations. And something about "stained" or "tainted" blood Maybe she passed the Gene via curse on to Falka's bloodline? Then 3 babies get switched around under 3 nutshells and Fiona is real Falka's girl? Are we sure aep he ichaer means "elder blood?" Are we sure there wasn't a mistake in translation and it means "tainted blood."

[Elias]

Books from Witcher 1 are wrong. Ciri is important because she can travel through time and space. Other special children can only "see" the future or have high magical abilities. They cannot travel into different dimensions. Elfs were planning to use Lara which had the gene they nourished for a long time to save all of their race from this world cause according to prophesy it will be destoyed and only the descendant of High Blood can save them. Because Lara had child from Cregennan their plans were messed up until the gene was again "activated" in Ciri.
SPOILER NEXT!!!! Still, Ciri have this gen they need, but when elves captured her their leader was not able to sleep with her because of his distrust for humans. His was killed by other elves which are more "decisive" and are now looking for Ciri to capture her again.

[GarnetFire17]

Okay, yeah, so really the only REAL significance of Lara Dorren of NOT mating with an ELF is simply that the Aen Elle race no longer has someone that can fully jump between worlds like Ciri can. They have to use the Gate of the Worlds and there seem to have some limitations to it and the Unicorns seem to be controlling such gates. Which is why they are fighting the unicorns. It's sense of Entitlement my Aen Elle and nothing more, they feel like it's their birthright to be able to have this ability and that is piss poor reason the Wild Hunt is chasing Ciri. Beause their "limited access" to other worlds is not good enough for them. Basically, the look at Ciri like she is some kind of inferior animal who doesn't deserve the power she has, and whatever they do to her is okay, beause she is just dh'oine., a beast of complete unimportance with no rights.

The other reason she Ciri is so speicial despite her heritage and her abilities is because of Ithlinne's prophecy. That indicates that Ciri's Son will be "The Destroyer" the man that will rule half the world and whose son will rule the entire world. (sounds like Danerys a bit). So people either want to control her to fulfill their own ambitions for their nations and people, or to kill her to try to stop the prophecy from happening.

[CURE]

Originally posted by readr00ster:

Okay, yeah, so really the only REAL significance of Lara Dorren of NOT mating with an ELF is simply that the Aen Elle race no longer has someone that can fully jump between worlds like Ciri can. They have to use the Gate of the Worlds and there seem to have some limitations to it and the Unicorns seem to be controlling such gates. Which is why they are fighting the unicorns. It's sense of Entitlement my Aen Elle and nothing more, they feel like it's their birthright to be able to have this ability and that is piss poor reason the Wild Hunt is chasing Ciri. Beause their "limited access" to other worlds is not good enough for them. Basically, the look at Ciri like she is some kind of inferior animal who doesn't deserve the power she has, and whatever they do to her is okay, beause she is just dh'oine., a beast of complete unimportance with no rights.

The other reason she Ciri is so speicial despite her heritage and her abilities is because of Ithlinne's prophecy. That indicates that Ciri's Son will be "The Destroyer" the man that will rule half the world and whose son will rule the entire world. (sounds like Danerys a bit). So people either want to control her to fulfill their own ambitions for their nations and people, or to kill her to try to stop the prophecy from happening.

So that means that there was no 'activation' of her genes, but that the descendants of Lara Dorren are inherently special, and the only reason the elves see it as a failure is because they are arrogant, racist douchebags? That explains why that one guy captured Ciri to impregnate her to get his 'heritage' back or something. And I assume the reason the Wild Hunt wants Ciri is because she has that special power to jump through space and time, so the Aen Elle sent their specters to use her as a means to transport their entire army over to take over the world.