Let's be honest, CD Projekt Red has always been a meh to terrible developer

[Juub]

They got so much love with The Witcher III but it's the only great game in their catalogue. The fact that they catapulted to being the most valuable game company in Europe was head scratching. They surpassed Ubisoft who admittedly makes crappy, bloated open-world now, but Ubisoft had a stellar track record 15-20 years ago with Prince of Persia, Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six, Beyond Good & Evil, Splinter Cell, etc.

What has CDPR done? The Witcher is a janky, crappy game. The Witcher 2 is competent enough but has awful combat. The Witcher III is their Thriller moment but people seem to forget that it was quite bad at launch, filled with bugs, and had major performance issues. Then Cyberpunk is now the most infamous launch of all time.

That they're completely tripping over themselves over this game doesn't surprise me a bit. This is more in line with what they do and that engine seems to suck, explaining why they're moving to UE5 for their future projects. The Witcher III was the exception, Cyberpunk and this are the norm. People completely forgot because of that one beloved game but we're just back to normal.

Don't hold your breath for them to release functional games in the future. The only saving grace is that they're using UE5 so maybe they won't be as busted as Cyberpunk.

See you in a few months when this game is partially fixed.

[WreckWren]

Originally posted by Juub:

See you in a few months when this game is partially fixed.

by that point they might acknowledge the issue

[Juub]

Originally posted by WreckWren:

Originally posted by Juub:

See you in a few months when this game is partially fixed.

by that point they might acknowledge the issue

They already did.

[WreckWren]

Originally posted by Juub:

Originally posted by WreckWren:

by that point they might acknowledge the issue

They already did.

They aknowledged that people have issues. They did not acknowledge that the game has issues. The two are very different. One is an accusation, the other an admission.

[sere]

The first Witcher game was a word of mouth gem and regardless of what your take is now, its combat was very novel at the time. It was, in its era, considered a "rough around the edges breath of fresh air" for RPG fans. It had darker tones and richer narrative that many NWN fans absolutely ate up. It was a huge deal in discussion forums.

Witcher 2 was a high profile release and AAA contender in every respect. It's "Uber Super Sampling" was a huge buzz topic for gaming and gaming oriented tech sites. Aside from silly Super Sampling attention getting, it was one of the most well received games the year it released. In its day, it was anything but "competent with crappy combat", nothing's changed.. unless we are going with unpopular opinion having equal weight.

I don't think CDPR had the experience or catalog to justify their "most valuable, do no wrong" reputation hoisted upon them but your hindsight take on the Witcher series is also way off the mark. It's obvious you weren't around or old enough to experience the impact they had when they first came out or appreciate much, if any context, in which the positive impact they did have on CDPR's reputation was actually deserved.

Yes, post Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077 pre launch hype years were insane and unreasonable as far as CDPR's image goes. Human nature taking over and ruining things with idolatry and projection.

[tcassat]

The Witcher 1 is my favorite. It's janky as f##k, but it's an RPG in the most classic sense. A lot of people complain about the battle without realizing that it's not an action game, it's battle based on dice rolling or some s#it.

Even if the battle is quite superficial, since using alchemy you are almost invincible in 99% of the situations, it still at least requires some use of the head, study of the enemies, care of the RPG part. TW2 and TW3 are low quality action games, in my opinion.

TW3 still saves itself because it is artistically beautiful, but that's about it.

[Rayvencraft]

IF ONLY DEVELOPERS COULD PLEASE EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!

[Grubbs008]

Originally posted by WreckWren:

Originally posted by Juub:

They already did.

They aknowledged that people have issues. They did not acknowledge that the game has issues. The two are very different. One is an accusation, the other an admission.

If they admit anything, sales will go down. They won't do that.

[Alex_x86]

Your issue is that you are judging their games by the "open world", however almost everyone else judges their games by the story, characters and worldbuilding.

Witcher had good story, interesting world, interesting characters, good graphics for it's time and an OK gameplay and had a sort of medieval dark fantasy atmosphere (unlike majority of other so called fantasy games).

Witcher 2 had good story, great world, great characters, awesome graphics that are still good today, good gameplay, great atmosphere with clothes and armor looking like medieval.

Witcher 3 had great story, great world with different locations, interesting characters, awesome graphics even by todays standards (and I am talking about pre next gen update), good gameplay, great atmosphere with the closes and armor looking like real medieval thing.

Even CyberPunk 2077 with all it's bugs and issues still had great story, great characters, great world, fantastic graphics, interesting gameplay, world that looks like a mix of 80th vision of the future and what we see today.

[mutantspicy]

Ok. I'll be honest. You're right. CDPR has always released buggy games, and as always they get it right in the end. But let me be clear. I've been playing video games on PC since the mid 80's, my first being an Apple IIc. My point is that the entire history of PC gaming has been riddled with buggy releases that eventually get fixed. I feel like people have selective amnesia and have this rose colored view of past greatness that was never achieved. PC gaming has and always will be a royal pain in the ass. If any of us wanted it easy we would just steal PS5 since you can't buy one.

[Rayvencraft]

Originally posted by mutantspicy:

Ok. I'll be honest. You're right. CDPR has always released buggy games, and as always they get it right in the end. But let me be clear. I've been playing video games on PC since the mid 80's, my first being an Apple IIc. My point is that the entire history of PC gaming has been riddled with buggy releases that eventually get fixed. I feel like people have selective amnesia and have this rose colored view of past greatness that was never achieved. PC gaming has and always will be a royal pain in the ass. If any of us wanted it easy we would just steal PS5 since you can't buy one.

They do have rose colored glasses.... and entitlement. dont like it, dont play it.... imagine if they had to blow in it to make it load..... OH THE AGONY!

[smanj440]

It was a FREE update. Stop being a tool.

[Ancient Toaster]

Originally posted by Juub:

They got so much love with The Witcher III but it's the only great game in their catalogue. The fact that they catapulted to being the most valuable game company in Europe was head scratching. They surpassed Ubisoft who admittedly makes crappy, bloated open-world now, but Ubisoft had a stellar track record 15-20 years ago with Prince of Persia, Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six, Beyond Good & Evil, Splinter Cell, etc.

What has CDPR done? The Witcher is a janky, crappy game. The Witcher 2 is competent enough but has awful combat. The Witcher III is their Thriller moment but people seem to forget that it was quite bad at launch, filled with bugs, and had major performance issues. Then Cyberpunk is now the most infamous launch of all time.

That they're completely tripping over themselves over this game doesn't surprise me a bit. This is more in line with what they do and that engine seems to suck, explaining why they're moving to UE5 for their future projects. The Witcher III was the exception, Cyberpunk and this are the norm. People completely forgot because of that one beloved game but we're just back to normal.

Don't hold your breath for them to release functional games in the future. The only saving grace is that they're using UE5 so maybe they won't be as busted as Cyberpunk.

See you in a few months when this game is partially fixed.

My first experience with CDPR was the first Witcher game, which was (and still is) the very definition of a Euro Jank CRPG.

Their first good game was The Witcher 2, it's still a good game and in some ways I like it better than this game because the storyline is phenomenal and it has some great characters.

But Witcher 3 overall is the GOAT

[Carlos Spicywiener]

Originally posted by AncientToaster:

Originally posted by Juub:

They got so much love with The Witcher III but it's the only great game in their catalogue. The fact that they catapulted to being the most valuable game company in Europe was head scratching. They surpassed Ubisoft who admittedly makes crappy, bloated open-world now, but Ubisoft had a stellar track record 15-20 years ago with Prince of Persia, Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six, Beyond Good & Evil, Splinter Cell, etc.

What has CDPR done? The Witcher is a janky, crappy game. The Witcher 2 is competent enough but has awful combat. The Witcher III is their Thriller moment but people seem to forget that it was quite bad at launch, filled with bugs, and had major performance issues. Then Cyberpunk is now the most infamous launch of all time.

That they're completely tripping over themselves over this game doesn't surprise me a bit. This is more in line with what they do and that engine seems to suck, explaining why they're moving to UE5 for their future projects. The Witcher III was the exception, Cyberpunk and this are the norm. People completely forgot because of that one beloved game but we're just back to normal.

Don't hold your breath for them to release functional games in the future. The only saving grace is that they're using UE5 so maybe they won't be as busted as Cyberpunk.

See you in a few months when this game is partially fixed.

My first experience with CDPR was the first Witcher game, which was (and still is) the very definition of a Euro Jank CRPG.

Their first good game was The Witcher 2, it's still a good game and in some ways I like it better than this game because the storyline is phenomenal and it has some great characters.

But Witcher 3 overall is the GOAT

The first Witcher was awesome when it came out

[M'Hæl]

Originally posted by mutantspicy:

Ok. I'll be honest. You're right. CDPR has always released buggy games, and as always they get it right in the end. But let me be clear. I've been playing video games on PC since the mid 80's, my first being an Apple IIc. My point is that the entire history of PC gaming has been riddled with buggy releases that eventually get fixed. I feel like people have selective amnesia and have this rose colored view of past greatness that was never achieved. PC gaming has and always will be a royal pain in the ass. If any of us wanted it easy we would just steal PS5 since you can't buy one.

Absolutely, the problem is we now have a generation of whiny children who never had to suffer through the early days of gaming. These are the same people that would be crying when Crysis came out because their rig couldn't run it.

[smanj440]

Originally posted by M'Hæl:

Originally posted by mutantspicy:

Ok. I'll be honest. You're right. CDPR has always released buggy games, and as always they get it right in the end. But let me be clear. I've been playing video games on PC since the mid 80's, my first being an Apple IIc. My point is that the entire history of PC gaming has been riddled with buggy releases that eventually get fixed. I feel like people have selective amnesia and have this rose colored view of past greatness that was never achieved. PC gaming has and always will be a royal pain in the ass. If any of us wanted it easy we would just steal PS5 since you can't buy one.

Absolutely, the problem is we now have a generation of whiny children who never had to suffer through the early days of gaming. These are the same people that would be crying when Crysis came out because their rig couldn't run it.

Exactly- Self entitlement.