[spoilers] question about vesemir

['za]

so what's the deal with his ♥♥♥♥♥♥, totally avoidable death? seriously, the hunt had already blown open one door, what did they expect to happen the second time when ice was covering it over? and why would they stand right in front of the door, as opposed to taking cover? also, why is ciri so ♥♥♥♥♥♥ at listening to good advice? lives are on the line, she knows that everyone will die INCLUDING VESEMIR if she allows the hunt to get her, so why didn't she fight from the start? and for that matter, why didn't vesemir use aard on imlerith? if it's powerful enough to blast ciri halfway across the fort, he should at least make imlerith stumble away. if they took cover from the door blast, nobody would be frozen and they could seriously ♥♥♥♥ them up then and there. there are so many easy and obvious solutions to this, the way the characters acted during that scene is totally out of character for all of them. witchers are smart enough to at the very least assume what was gonna happen. i was saying over and over "move out of the way dumbasses! you're gonna get frozen/blasted away!" and whaddya know, they got rekt. i don't have a problem with vesemir dying, but i do have a problem with how they did that scene.

TL/DR: the scene where vesemir dies was avoidable in many ways, vesemir should have died in a way which was not avoidable.

if someone who worked on the storyboard of this game reads this, can i have an explanation as to why they sat there like rocks as opposed to doing anything else?

['za]

Scorpix님이 먼저 게시:

Few words about signs, because I ve heard a lot of strange things.

Those signs can be casted by EVERYONE. It requires some time but almost everyone can do it.
The most important thing is how those signes are casted. Witchers don't say Abra Cadabra or other thing. They need to put fingers in proper position to cast those signes.
Although persons with magic potential can't cast it (Ciri can't)

So Vesemir wasn't able to cast Aard, because he was squished by bad guy (During fight with Geralt he was equasted, so Geralt was able to cast sign).

Ciri hasn't ran away because she doesn't want to see that someone died because of her stupid decision. She wasn't able to think about that Vesemir could died because of her.

I think Vesemir sacrificed himself, so Ciri could leave this place, but the effect was quite unexpected.
Like her mother she was able to cast in anger magic scream with magic tornado, what saved her.

And about mages, they were still fighting with frost aura.

vesimir could have used aard on the general before he killed him. ciri was distracting them and he could have quickly casted the sign.

[KoalafiedKiller]

Cir-130 lbs soaking wet. Imlerith-350lbs minimum. I doubt aard would have done much to him.

['za]

KoalafiedKiller님이 먼저 게시:

Cir-130 lbs soaking wet. Imlerith-350lbs minimum. I doubt aard would have done much to him.

you're kidding right? imlerith is not 350 without armor. but regardless, if vesimir can make ciri skid across the ground with aard, he can at the very least force imlerith to stop holding him by the neck with it. you do realize that they are just elves in armor right? they went to kaer morhen themselves, they didn't send their wraith forms there.

[KoalafiedKiller]

Bran Flakes님이 먼저 게시:

KoalafiedKiller님이 먼저 게시:

Cir-130 lbs soaking wet. Imlerith-350lbs minimum. I doubt aard would have done much to him.

you're kidding right? imlerith is not 350 without armor. but regardless, if vesimir can make ciri skid across the ground with aard, he can at the very least force imlerith to stop holding him by the neck with it. you do realize that they are just elves in armor right? they went to kaer morhen themselves, they didn't send their wraith forms there.

Yes I'm counting the armor in that weight since he's wearing it in that scene.

Plus Vesemir sacrificed himself because ciri was about to give up to save him, so if he was dead the hunt had no bargaining chip.

Also just to argue that a character's fate is unavoidable is illogical. Everything about that character is written into existence by another. Half way through animating the fight CDPR didn't decide he was going to die, they formed that fight around the fact he was already going to die.

[Kain]

A pity that it was unnavoidable, but it just shows that you can't save everyone, hell, even Geralt was too busy impersonating a popsicle at the time to be of any help.

[MrFrengLitch]

Yeah and? Let's say Vesemir uses Aard on Imrelith. Then what? Imrelith gets up back and the whole hunt still take Vesemir's life. Aard would just have delayed his death. And he knew he had to die in order to make Ciri go nuts. So he sacrificed himself. It was the only way she would not give herself to Eredin.

Nothing you can do 2 against a horde of warriors. He did what he could.

[Ashley Schaeffer]

I for one am happy Vesimere is dead... we all know he had the hawts for Ciri and even ordered in his own life sized stuffed Unicorn from Oxenfurt for her as a birthday present, dirty old pervert, no wonder she became a lesbian.

['za]

DIXI님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah and? Let's say Vesemir uses Aard on Imrelith. Then what? Imrelith gets up back and the whole hunt still take Vesemir's life. Aard would just have delayed his death. And he knew he had to die in order to make Ciri go nuts. So he sacrificed himself. It was the only way she would not give herself to Eredin.

Nothing you can do 2 against a horde of warriors. He did what he could.

he aards imlerith and gets the ♥♥♥♥ out of dodge and over to geralt and the others to aard/igni the ice off. or just don't stand in front of the door like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ moron and it would never be an issue. also, why did they bleep out mor.on?

[Scorpix]

BuzzardBee님이 먼저 게시:

Scorpix님이 먼저 게시:

Few words about signs, because I ve heard a lot of strange things.

Those signs can be casted by EVERYONE. It requires some time but almost everyone can do it.
The most important thing is how those signes are casted. Witchers don't say Abra Cadabra or other thing. They need to put fingers in proper position to cast those signes.
Although persons with magic potential can't cast it (Ciri can't)

So Vesemir wasn't able to cast Aard, because he was squished by bad guy (During fight with Geralt he was equasted, so Geralt was able to cast sign).

Ciri hasn't ran away because she doesn't want to see that someone died because of her stupid decision. She wasn't able to think about that Vesemir could died because of her.

I think Vesemir sacrificed himself, so Ciri could leave this place, but the effect was quite unexpected.
Like her mother she was able to cast in anger magic scream with magic tornado, what saved her.

And about mages, they were still fighting with frost aura.

She was trained as a witcher but she never underwent any of the trials. She cannot cast signs so there goes your theory that everyone can cast signs.

Sorry, but I have read books. Lambert to Triss when she was in CM to take care of Ciri that she even cast simple sign, even though she is doing everything good. She was trying to cast them.

[KoalafiedKiller]

Bran Flakes님이 먼저 게시:

DIXI님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah and? Let's say Vesemir uses Aard on Imrelith. Then what? Imrelith gets up back and the whole hunt still take Vesemir's life. Aard would just have delayed his death. And he knew he had to die in order to make Ciri go nuts. So he sacrificed himself. It was the only way she would not give herself to Eredin.

Nothing you can do 2 against a horde of warriors. He did what he could.

he aards imlerith and gets the ♥♥♥♥ out of dodge and over to geralt and the others to aard/igni the ice off. or just don't stand in front of the door like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ moron and it would never be an issue. also, why did they bleep out mor.on?

And while he runs to Geralt the hunt grabs ciri and it's game over.

['za]

KoalafiedKiller님이 먼저 게시:

Bran Flakes님이 먼저 게시:

he aards imlerith and gets the ♥♥♥♥ out of dodge and over to geralt and the others to aard/igni the ice off. or just don't stand in front of the door like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ moron and it would never be an issue. also, why did they bleep out mor.on?

And while he runs to Geralt the hunt grabs ciri and it's game over.

i don't think ciri would also just stand there. why do you assume they would just stand there like idiots AGAIN?

[Kain]

Well, she could teleport to Vesemir, then to China real quick she is the master of space and time after all.

[MrFrengLitch]

You realize there is no way Vesemir could get to Geralt right? Didn't you see there was like 50 Riders? He would have to fight all of them alone. Which is impossible.

And then when he would reach the entrance of Kaer Morhen he would have to use Quen in order to protect himself against the frost. Then switch to igni to free Geralt from the ice. Then Geralt and Vesemir would have to fight Imrelith, Caranthir, Eredin and all of the others Riders alone. By the time they would be done (if they'd survive), Eredin would have been long gone with Ciri.

Nah. Doesn't work like that.

The only thing that could happen is if Vesemir would run to Ciri and then they'd teleport out. But then everyone else (Yen, Geralt, Eskel, Lambert, Letho, Keira, etc) would die to the Wild hunt.

This is sad, but his sacrifice was necessary. No way he could have stand alone against all the Riders. Sucks, but that's how it had to be.

[RAYven]

everyone is general after battle...if Vesemir did not die, Ciri would not go nuclear and all would have died...

every death is "avoidable", if only we would know how and when we will die, yea? but we dont, so any minor or stupid action in our lifes can cause a very stupid and "avoidable" death

[Oh My Gawd]

I think it was to add drama and better develep ciri charactor