[spoilers] question about vesemir

['za]

so what's the deal with his ♥♥♥♥♥♥, totally avoidable death? seriously, the hunt had already blown open one door, what did they expect to happen the second time when ice was covering it over? and why would they stand right in front of the door, as opposed to taking cover? also, why is ciri so ♥♥♥♥♥♥ at listening to good advice? lives are on the line, she knows that everyone will die INCLUDING VESEMIR if she allows the hunt to get her, so why didn't she fight from the start? and for that matter, why didn't vesemir use aard on imlerith? if it's powerful enough to blast ciri halfway across the fort, he should at least make imlerith stumble away. if they took cover from the door blast, nobody would be frozen and they could seriously ♥♥♥♥ them up then and there. there are so many easy and obvious solutions to this, the way the characters acted during that scene is totally out of character for all of them. witchers are smart enough to at the very least assume what was gonna happen. i was saying over and over "move out of the way dumbasses! you're gonna get frozen/blasted away!" and whaddya know, they got rekt. i don't have a problem with vesemir dying, but i do have a problem with how they did that scene.

TL/DR: the scene where vesemir dies was avoidable in many ways, vesemir should have died in a way which was not avoidable.

if someone who worked on the storyboard of this game reads this, can i have an explanation as to why they sat there like rocks as opposed to doing anything else?

[Nixxo]

MY question is where the hell is Yennifer, Kiera and Tali Zhora vas Normandy during all this?

Al the physical fighters where fronzen. But not the mages. They could of done something.

Yeah, he got a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ death, but atleast he died trying... Also the Arrd and igni converstation isn't really important because they let geralt come close to both Emyr and the Redanian king... he could of just burned them to the ground stoped the war and probably destoryed both "empires" without even using his swords.

So the magic stuff isn't always that logical all around.

['za]

Originally posted by Nixxo:

MY question is where the hell is Yennifer, Kiera and Tali Zhora vas Normandy during all this?

Al the physical fighters where fronzen. But not the mages. They could of done something.

yeah i don't remember seeing them down there.

[Nixxo]

Tehcnically I know why they did it that way... Because of drama... But, to be honest Geralt could probably use Igni even if he is frozen solid to free himself. Besides all witchers know (and it is shown) how to make a shield buble thing.

['za]

Originally posted by Nixxo:

Tehcnically I know why they did it that way... Because of drama... But, to be honest Geralt could probably use Igni even if he is frozen solid to free himself. Besides all witchers know (and it is shown) how to make a shield buble thing.

well you need to unlock the shield bubble through a perk, so if you don't have it then you can't, but all the others are able to cast it. so yeah, another plothole.

[Greyfang]

It was a scene on the sole porpuse of showing vesemirs love for ciri, to trade his life for hers. vesemir loved ciri like a daughter too, being the last "witcher" created by the wolf school. vesemir knew that geralt loved her like a daughter too, dat was important too. But emotional relations aside it was a tottaly avoidable death. cdpr made a choice to say goodbye to the old generation of witchers and welcome the new one ( ciri) with the death of vesemir, but was pointless cus the choices u made can render vesemir death useless. it was a 5/10 rating scene. i mourned the old wolf death too and wish he would have survived too, but maybe it was a choice not only made by cdpr, maybe the creator of the novels agreed to say goodbye to vesemir too. we will never know.

[Nixxo]

Originally posted by Bran Flakes:

Originally posted by Nixxo:

Tehcnically I know why they did it that way... Because of drama... But, to be honest Geralt could probably use Igni even if he is frozen solid to free himself. Besides all witchers know (and it is shown) how to make a shield buble thing.

well you need to unlock the shield bubble through a perk, so if you don't have it then you can't, but all the others are able to cast it. so yeah, another plothole.

As everytime when "magic" is involeved in a story they always have a problem with explaining what is and what is not possible.

['za]

Originally posted by Greyfang:

It was a scene on the sole porpuse of showing vesemirs love for ciri, to trade his life for hers. vesemir loved ciri like a daughter too, being the last "witcher" created by the wolf school. vesemir knew that geralt loved her like a daughter too, dat was important too. But emotional relations aside it was a tottaly avoidable death. cdpr made a choice to say goodbye to the old generation of witchers and welcome the new one ( ciri) with the death of vesemir, but was pointless cus the choices u made can render vesemir death useless. it was a 5/10 rating scene. i mourned the old wolf death too and wish he would have survived too, but maybe it was a choice not only made by cdpr, maybe the creator of the novels agreed to say goodbye to vesemir too. we will never know.

the creator of the witcher series said anything that he doesn't write is non-canon, so the game is in it's own universe.

[Ihateeverybody]

It was a thematic Device used to invoke a specific emotional response from the audiance and to further the story. Its not unique. Almost all books, movies and television shows use it in some way or another. Its just something to be endured when it happens.

Examples:

Transformers the movie (Cartoon, 1980s). Optimus Prime dies like a little blank after decimating most of the Decepticons (granted he was fresh to the battle and they had been fighting for most of a day) from two to three blaster shots from a POS Laser gun. Simaler theme, sacrificed himself to save hot rod who for some reason felt it necessary to jump in fight and provide Megatron a autobot shield.

Lord of the Rings - Alot of people die and get killed because no one thinks to stick the Ring of Power into a cube of metel (preventing it from being worn), then having one of the great eagles deliver it directly to the cracks of doom.

Sure others can come up with more.

[watcherzero]

All the mages were on the battlements, Yen was exhausted the frost got in because she was too tired to maintain her shield and it failed.

[watcherzero]

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

Lord of the Rings - Alot of people die and get killed because no one thinks to stick the Ring of Power into a cube of metel (preventing it from being worn), then having one of the great eagles deliver it directly to the cracks of doom.

Sure others can come up with more.

You couldnt do that with the ring, it needs to have a bearer because its capable of manipulating its environment, for example when it was swallowed by a fish so that a fisherman would find it.

['za]

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

It was a thematic Device used to invoke a specific emotional response from the audiance and to further the story. Its not unique. Almost all books, movies and television shows use it in some way or another. Its just something to be endured when it happens.

Examples:

Transformers the movie (Cartoon, 1980s). Optimus Prime dies like a little blank after decimating most of the Decepticons (granted he was fresh to the battle and they had been fighting for most of a day) from two to three blaster shots from a POS Laser gun. Simaler theme, sacrificed himself to save hot rod who for some reason felt it necessary to jump in fight and provide Megatron a autobot shield.

Lord of the Rings - Alot of people die and get killed because no one thinks to stick the Ring of Power into a cube of metel (preventing it from being worn), then having one of the great eagles deliver it directly to the cracks of doom.

Sure others can come up with more.

ik that someone already told you about the ring not being able to be encased in metal, and honestly the whole thing with eagles is stupid, if you ask me. they are some the lamest and most obvious deus ex machina in storytelling history (if you ask me). not only are they lazy, but they open up plotholes. if the eagles never existed, then the plothole of just using the eagles to fly the ring to mordor would not exist. lazy writing leads to issues, which are even more obvious when you're writing a story with it's own huge universe. people who write books like this need proofreaders AND plothole hunters. in the battle of the 5 armies they had convenient caves for the orcs. in the movie they used convenient worms to drill those holes so nobody would wonder why the caves weren't guarded. this led to people wondering why they didn't use these worms for all battles to destroy everything the enemy makes, since they can move completely undetected and swiftly cause massive damage, as well as making routes for footsoldiers.

[Ihateeverybody]

Maybee your right. I do remember some of its power working with people just gripping the ring and not putting it on. Still think the putting it in a block of something would work for the most part. It takes time to exert its influence and the best way to avoid temptation is to make it less likely. I m sorry if you think the eagle idea is stupid, but I didnt write the story. They used the eagles before, Im just saying use it again.

Worse for the whole storyline over gameplay (recently) has to be Dying Light. Great Game, Ludicrous story. At times I just felt like crying when the hero just lets the villain keep getting away. LETTING THEM. It is equivilant to doing everything right, they letting your cat jump on the keyboard causing everything to go wrong. But you know. Life goes on...for now.

[dannyj147]

Hmm I'd say he knew Ciri would explode like she did and unleash her power. Things were looking very bleak so Vesemir sacrificed himself to spur Ciri on. Thats the way I see it anyway.

[HoarseHed]

As for the whole it being avoidable, I think that was kinda the point of that scene. A bunch of very bad decisions were made in a hectic situation, and it turned out for the worst. They even talked about later how he wasn't supposed to die in such a bad way, being squashed like a bug. But it happened, and he couldn't be brought back. Such things do happen, people die all the time in totally avoidable ways, but there's nothing to do about it once all is said and done.

That being said, am I the only one that could tell right from the moment his shoulder got hit by that griffin "well, he's gonna die in this game"? I really think they should have let that scene out more than any other in the game, it's always like that especially in games, if one of the main characters show a minor weakness in the beginning, they're almost always bound to die during the story. The game kinda spoiled part of it's own story right there.

[Scorpix]

Few words about signs, because I ve heard a lot of strange things.

Those signs can be casted by EVERYONE. It requires some time but almost everyone can do it.
The most important thing is how those signes are casted. Witchers don't say Abra Cadabra or other thing. They need to put fingers in proper position to cast those signes.
Although persons with magic potential can't cast it (Ciri can't)

So Vesemir wasn't able to cast Aard, because he was squished by bad guy (During fight with Geralt he was equasted, so Geralt was able to cast sign).

Ciri hasn't ran away because she doesn't want to see that someone died because of her stupid decision. She wasn't able to think about that Vesemir could died because of her.

I think Vesemir sacrificed himself, so Ciri could leave this place, but the effect was quite unexpected.
Like her mother she was able to cast in anger magic scream with magic tornado, what saved her.

And about mages, they were still fighting with frost aura.