Witcher 4 trailer doesnt hit the same as the olds ones

[Pvt.Parts]

I understand the need to move away from Geralt as a protagonist but having Ciri be the main character is really underwhelming to me. I think it would be cool to have her in an Advisory role (almost like Vesemir) but it makes no sense lore wise that she would become a Witcher. She is also canonically extremely overpowered with her powers which makes for some boring gameplay in my opinion. Maybe she could've found lost knowledge of how to complete the Trials and train new Witchers (and Sorcerers to help) and founded her own School but I think itd be way more interesting to be your average Witcher just out on the trail who maybe gets caught up in some political intrigue much like Geralt always does.

Also as a side note, the game is clearly supposed to take place decades in the future (atleast two judging by Ciris appearance) but the loss of her original voice actress is a shame. She was brilliant.

[Titan Awaken]

Originally posted by RRedux:

The new devs are out of touch with their existing fans, and we can see the result of that in the trailer

… Where? The cinematic trailer is fairly nondescript and closely resembles Witcher 3’s cinematic trailer.

The only lore bomb that was dropped was that Ciri became a Witcher. We do not have the full context for this decision so any judgement made now is purely conjecture and supposition.

In any case it certainly doesn’t indicate that “the new devs are out of touch with their existing fans” as you erroneously claim.

And before you retort with the ever so pervasive observation that “women can’t be Witchers”, I have asked close to, if not more than, 5 times for people to give me the exact Sapkowski passage/quote where it explicitly and non-ambiguously states that women cannot be Witchers. Every time I have asked for the passage/quote, I have received an “answer” that 1. moves the goalpost further or 2. some form of equivocation or sophistry.

Not once has anybody just quoted the passage itself.

Because it doesn’t F’ing exist.

Originally posted by RRedux:

They have also said in interviews that they are seeking to reach "people who haven't played our games before"

Which is a way of saying that Witcher 4 isn't being made for fans of the series, but for a theoretical new audience they hope to reach

You know, similar to what the Veilguard devs tried to do.

This point will forever remain absolutely positively hilarious to me:

“They’re making Witcher 4 for a new audience so they don’t care about us existing fans. Oh no!” While you completely forget that this game, Witcher 3, was literally made for new audiences and in fact, DOMINATED by new audiences.

Let me quote a previous post I made a few weeks back:

Originally posted by Me:

This is a franchise that has sold 75+ million total copies with over 50+ million of those copies being Witcher 3 alone. Let me phrase this is a different way:

The Witcher 3 alone accounts for 66% or two-thirds of the sales of the ENTIRE franchise.

It isn’t an exaggeration at all to say that most people in this discussion, myself included, signed onto this series with The Witcher 3. Witcher 3 was literally made for new players who’ve never touched the series before and has since become among the greatest selling and acclaimed games of all time but I don’t see OP bringing this up at all whatsoever. In other words, every one of us who signed onto this series with The Witcher 3 (which again, is, statistically speaking, most players), is a NEW PLAYER by default.

[Sardukhar]

Well, this has gone well off-topic into the usual cherry-picked "Look what [some streamer/ right wing website told me] a dev said!" and "reasons why Witcher 4 will fail!"

Topic is the Witcher 4 trailer not hitting the same way as other Witcher trailers. Return to it, please and thank you.

[Kussin]

Any W3 Trailer/Cinematic beats the W4 Trailer by miles.
It looks.... average. Washed. Missing the punch imo.

[Jaxam]

w4 looks like slop plain and simple
i for one am looking forward to ignoring any new projects cdpr releases if this is the direction they're heading and the tone they're taking with fan criticism

[[tAK] Aeon]

Originally posted by Pvt.Parts:

I understand the need to move away from Geralt as a protagonist but having Ciri be the main character is really underwhelming to me. I think it would be cool to have her in an Advisory role (almost like Vesemir) but it makes no sense lore wise that she would become a Witcher. She is also canonically extremely overpowered with her powers which makes for some boring gameplay in my opinion. Maybe she could've found lost knowledge of how to complete the Trials and train new Witchers (and Sorcerers to help) and founded her own School but I think itd be way more interesting to be your average Witcher just out on the trail who maybe gets caught up in some political intrigue much like Geralt always does.

Also as a side note, the game is clearly supposed to take place decades in the future (atleast two judging by Ciris appearance) but the loss of her original voice actress is a shame. She was brilliant.

I 100% agree. As a straight dood, I am into RPGs where I am a dood. I don't mind other types of games as any sex. But RPGs... Nope, not for me.

Btw, I love your idea of being a new student under Ciri at a later time. That would have been awesome. Imagine even maybe romancing her :)

But nope, they changed the target audience. It is now an RPG for women. So yeah... I think it's a drastic change. A change that will have them lose a good chunk of the previous fanbase. People like me who tend to like to imagine you are your character in an RPG will probably all dodge Witcher 4. Not all hope is lost for us though! Did you see the trailer for Blood of Dawnwalker? That seems to be the game that will pick-up most of the Witcher 3 fanbase.

[longjohn119]

What makes no sense lore wise is romancing Triss or worse yet choosing Triss over Yennifer.

It sure didn't stop everyone from romancing Triss though ..... even though it breaks book canon in a big way.

[XOLiD]

Originally posted by longjohn119:

What makes no sense lore wise is romancing Triss or worse yet choosing Triss over Yennifer.

It sure didn't stop everyone from romancing Triss though ..... even though it breaks book canon in a big way.

My first time playing through this and I immediately disliked Triss when I finally found her. Something specific about her attitude especially. Upon talking with her and finding out about her past with Geralt, I disliked her even further. I fail to see the attraction.

[ﾚﾌﾄ]

I also thought it was weird that Ciri went through the trail of the grasses now that they're gone.

But now that I'm thinking, can't Ciri just go back in time and go through the Trail of the Grasses?
And she has Elder Blood so she would probably be fine since it's the explanation for.. everything else.

[ﾚﾌﾄ]

Originally posted by tAK Aeon:

Originally posted by Pvt.Parts:

I understand the need to move away from Geralt as a protagonist but having Ciri be the main character is really underwhelming to me. I think it would be cool to have her in an Advisory role (almost like Vesemir) but it makes no sense lore wise that she would become a Witcher. She is also canonically extremely overpowered with her powers which makes for some boring gameplay in my opinion. Maybe she could've found lost knowledge of how to complete the Trials and train new Witchers (and Sorcerers to help) and founded her own School but I think itd be way more interesting to be your average Witcher just out on the trail who maybe gets caught up in some political intrigue much like Geralt always does.

Also as a side note, the game is clearly supposed to take place decades in the future (atleast two judging by Ciris appearance) but the loss of her original voice actress is a shame. She was brilliant.

I 100% agree. As a straight dood, I am into RPGs where I am a dood. I don't mind other types of games as any sex. But RPGs... Nope, not for me.

Btw, I love your idea of being a new student under Ciri at a later time. That would have been awesome. Imagine even maybe romancing her :)

But nope, they changed the target audience. It is now an RPG for women. So yeah... I think it's a drastic change. A change that will have them lose a good chunk of the previous fanbase. People like me who tend to like to imagine you are your character in an RPG will probably all dodge Witcher 4. Not all hope is lost for us though! Did you see the trailer for Blood of Dawnwalker? That seems to be the game that will pick-up most of the Witcher 3 fanbase.

I mean, Ciri was the main character after Time of Contempt so the change is not that drastic.

[Hebalon]

Originally posted by tAK Aeon:

But nope, they changed the target audience. It is now an RPG for women. So yeah... I think it's a drastic change. A change that will have them lose a good chunk of the previous fanbase. People like me who tend to like to imagine you are your character in an RPG will probably all dodge Witcher 4.

So, playing a female character is only for women? I doubt that. Tomb Raider was played by many male players back then (and still is), the same is true for Stellar Blade, I would guess.

I am a straight man, and I do enjoy playing female characters in video games. Horizon is one of my favorite series, and I can identify myself with Kate Walker (from Syberia) just as well as with Guybrush Threepwood (from Monkey Island). I don't know what it says about me if I tend to play female characters when I have the choice (like in Diablo 3/4), and honestly, I don't care. If a chararacter is likeable, strong, badass, whatever, i can imagine myself in his or her role and can have fun playing the game. It doesn't matter that I have no Uterus, just as it doesn't matter that I cannot fling waves of fire from my bare hands.

If Witcher 4 is well done, it will be a success. Ciri or Gerald doesn't matter that much. Both are great characters. Gerald's story is told, now a new chapter begins with Ciri as the main protagonist.

[Navhkrin]

Originally posted by ﾚﾌﾄ:

I also thought it was weird that Ciri went through the trail of the grasses now that they're gone.

But now that I'm thinking, can't Ciri just go back in time and go through the Trail of the Grasses?
And she has Elder Blood so she would probably be fine since it's the explanation for.. everything else.

It doesn't make sense for someone with power far beyond any Witcher to go through trial of grasses through

[Titan Awaken]

Originally posted by Navhkrin:

Originally posted by ﾚﾌﾄ:

I also thought it was weird that Ciri went through the trail of the grasses now that they're gone.

But now that I'm thinking, can't Ciri just go back in time and go through the Trail of the Grasses?
And she has Elder Blood so she would probably be fine since it's the explanation for.. everything else.

It doesn't make sense for someone with power far beyond any Witcher to go through trial of grasses through

So put two and two together:

Why would Ciri, who has Elder Blood powers far exceeding that of any Witcher, undergo the trial of grasses? Easy. Because she somehow lost her powers for some reason. Why? We don't know yet but I would conjecture that she could have lost her powers fighting back the White Frost at the end of TW3.

[Navhkrin]

Originally posted by Titan Awaken:

Originally posted by Navhkrin:

It doesn't make sense for someone with power far beyond any Witcher to go through trial of grasses through

So put two and two together:

Why would Ciri, who has Elder Blood powers far exceeding that of any Witcher, undergo the trial of grasses? Easy. Because she somehow lost her powers for some reason. Why? We don't know yet but I would conjecture that she could have lost her powers fighting back the White Frost at the end of TW3.

Before putting two and two together, you should read the post I was quoting first. Which speculates that she used her elder blood powers to go back in time to get trial of glasses. To which I responded with my comment above.

[Titan Awaken]

Originally posted by Navhkrin:

Originally posted by Titan Awaken:

So put two and two together:

Why would Ciri, who has Elder Blood powers far exceeding that of any Witcher, undergo the trial of grasses? Easy. Because she somehow lost her powers for some reason. Why? We don't know yet but I would conjecture that she could have lost her powers fighting back the White Frost at the end of TW3.

Before putting two and two together, you should read the post I was quoting first. Which speculates that she used her elder blood powers to go back in time to get trial of glasses. To which I responded with my comment above.

Non sequitur.

The post you're replying to has no bearing or relevance to my reply to you. It's plain obvious that Ciri wouldn't undergo the trials if she had her Elder Blood powers. There is zero practical reason why a person would deliberately settle for an inferior version of something when they already have access to the superior version of that something. Unless if they somehow lose access to that superior version.

You're not going to use a flintlock pistol in a gunfight when you already have a Glock 17 on you but if you lost your Glock or ran outta ammo then well, flintlock it is.

[longjohn119]

Originally posted by Titan Awaken:

Originally posted by Navhkrin:

It doesn't make sense for someone with power far beyond any Witcher to go through trial of grasses through

So put two and two together:

Why would Ciri, who has Elder Blood powers far exceeding that of any Witcher, undergo the trial of grasses? Easy. Because she somehow lost her powers for some reason. Why? We don't know yet but I would conjecture that she could have lost her powers fighting back the White Frost at the end of TW3.

Maybe because she lost her Elder Blood powers destroying the White Frost. If you pay attention to the two endings that Ciri appears in she shows no signs of special abilities anymore and in the Empress ending she almost gets taken out by a Forktail.

Magic in the Witcher needs to have a source of energy be it from the sorceress or mage themselves or from another outside source such as one of the 4 prime elements. We even see this in the trailer where Ciri uses running water as an energy source. The more powerful the magic the greater the need for a more powerful source to draw from and a good example of that is Yennifer killing the sacred tree in Freya's Garden by drawing all it's power out of it so she can perform necromancy on Skyall. Point being to kill something as powerful as the White Frost you would have to tap into and likely deplete a large source of power such the Elder Blood leaving the power weaker or completely gone.