Dijkstra spoiler help

[yero]

Is there any chance to kill Radovid but then make deal with Dijkstra, Roche and Talar? I killed him now but I really like him but I dont want to see Roche and Ves and Talar die

[yero]

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

Nope, with Radovid dead, you have to choose between leaving Dijkstra to take over things and therefore letting Roche, Ves and Thaler die or staying and refusing to allow Dijkstra to kill them.

I know. I felt the same. Wanted Radovid dead but hoped that Dijkstra could be convinced to compromise and work with the others. With only those two options, I had my Geralt stick by his friends and defend them.

I did same thing.. but I feel bad now.. Dijkstra was great (in books)

[dnrob7]

The way Dijkstra handles that situation makes no sense to me. He knows Geralt. He knows how Geralt tends to react to blatant betrayal. He knows Geralt is not going to walk away and simply agree to let friends die.
He also knows Geralt has a way of chopping his way through huge odds and being outnumbered is an every day occurance for him.
Dijkstra has balls but hes not an idiot. He might growl at Geralt but he knows full well how a biting match would end yet he goes and invites him to the fight that could make or brake his 'kingship'?
No. Dijkstra would have told Geralt to 4uck off FIRST. Give him some errand or reason he needed to be somewhere else, or invite the rest of them elsewhere because he didn't like talking out in the open air right now or whatever the hell. Plotting is his game, not fighting. Certainly not fighting Geralt ffs.

[dnrob7]

I'm not denying any of that, especially when it comes to the books as I havent read any of them.

I guess i feel like this 'book lore attitude' and just letting Roche and Ves die would be totally forced by the time this situation comes up even if one had read them in the past.
Like you'd need to reach back to another story entirely with everything that has gone on around you in recent events.

Like when Zoltan Chivay pipes up in the theatre after that old tavern hag screams bloody murder at Geralt. "Well knowing Geralt, it was probably in the name of saving someone else's sorry ass"

I do agree with not wanting to kill any of them. I would have liked a third option too but when Dijkstra turns his back and states in total confidence: "Fine, then you can 4ucking die with them".. Talk about famous last words.

Backstabbing is filthy art when it works. It's catching a bolt in the chest mid sentence or becoming more and more ill over a few days and dying without anyone really knowing why.
Dijkstra should have finished that lil poem, raised his hands and seen a flurry of bolts kill Roche, Ves and Thaler in an instant. Right when Ves goes to ask: "What was Tha.."

Only then do you ask Geralt to walk away if you truly did not want to add him to the pile.
At that point, Geralt would have the choise of taking revenge and leaving the North to Emhyr, or leaving D to take things over for the good of the north.

[yero]

I know Dijkstra from books.. Dijkstra is smart and what he did wasnt smart at all. I thought when I kill him I loot some info from his body but there was only chicken sandwich

[dnrob7]

True, true and yet I can't help but agree with the Tamerian trio. I guess it comes down to ones individual values but from what I saw, Radovid was the only real chance the North had at defeating a Nilfgaard advance and that would not have been a victory for anyone but Radovid. He had to go.
Now you are left with a Redania without a ruler and Nilfgaard on your doorstep. Djikstra seems to think he can just pick up where Radovid left off but how does he actually think he is going to assume enough control to organize a realistic response to Nilfgaard?
I have never actually taken this route in-game so I don't know how that goes but at the time I would see it as just causing more chaos and death all round before eventually losing everything to Emhyr anyway.

The idea of handing the rest of the North over is terrible for ones national pride but in all honesty, 4uck pride. It's probably better in every other way.
Nilfgaard is an invader, yes, but lets face it, their culture, wealth and stability is above and beyond. Nilfgaardian rule really does not look that bad at all.
It certainly looks better than living as Radovids slave or dying for Djikstras massive self serving ego and delusions of "patriotism".

At least this way, the north gets to keep some of it's 'integrity'. A free Tameria is not a bad deal.

EDIT:

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

Originally posted by Yero:

I know Dijkstra from books.. Dijkstra is smart and what he did wasnt smart at all. I thought when I kill him I loot some info from his body but there was only chicken sandwich

Well apart from challenging Geralt, which is never a smart move, his elaborate plan was rather intelligent and if you let it play out (let him kill Roche, Ves and Thaler), his much smaller forces are able to defeat Emhyr's far superior armies quite handily and he does have the gratitude and backing of those mages in Kovir. He does successfully take over the entire north.

So I wouldn't exactly write him off as an idiot.

Well, ♥♥♥♥.. Wouldn't have believed it. I think i need to see that version just for the explanation on how the hell that's even possible.

EDIT2

Right, so if Radovid and Djikstra are dead, Emhyr walks over the place because their strategist King is gone.

If Radovid is dead but Djikstra lives, Redanian armies somehow win this time
because Djikstra is in the shadows?
So that means Redanian commanders are quietly getting their orders from him instead? Or?

[Exarch_Alpha]

Originally posted by Yero:

I know Dijkstra from books.. Dijkstra is smart and what he did wasnt smart at all. I thought when I kill him I loot some info from his body but there was only chicken sandwich

I was surprised he wasn´t carrying a whole chicken ;)

While in W2 Nilfgaard is portrayed as evil, in W3 they are quite more "nice" while Radovid is made a madman, so in my game I didn´t think twice about killing Radovid as soon as the quest was available... but also killing Djikstra since I imported a Roche´s path save and thus it made more sense.

I´ll play again in Iorveth´s path and then help Djikstra. Only one that go ♥♥♥♥ himself is Radovid, and that´s because he is a reactionary about everything - if it was only about sorceress, ok, but it isn´t.

As someone who has a college degree it´s impossible for me to like the guy who closed one of the few universities that existed while welcoming bigoted stupid witch hunters.

[yero]

I like Emhyr because he let you live with Yennefer after battle on Stygga

[Exarch_Alpha]

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

If however you resist the need to eliminate Radovid the Mad and let him live, he cunningly defeats the much larger Nilfgaardian army and frees the north. Of course this does nothing to lessen his hatred of mages. But, on the other hand, many of them did plenty to foster that hatred so the innocent among them have those to thank for his madness.

Iorverth's or Roche's path make no difference as far as TW3 is concerned since the game does not utilize choices made on either so you needn't bother. If you help Dijkstra it will mean one thing. If Radovid dies, Temeria will be free thanks to a deal brokered by Roche and Thaler. If you side with Dijkstra, Roche, Ves and Thaler must die. If you're prepared to do that, more power to you.

I know the game doesn´t care much about what you did in W2, but if you helped Roche in a save, it just makes sense to help again.

Also two wrongs doesn´t make a right, so your first paragraph is nonsense and I hope you don´t really believe in that, because it´s the same idiocy who justified dozens of massacres in human history.

And as said, Radovid madness goes way beyond mages only as he closed the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ university.

[Exarch_Alpha]

Perhaps, but it still feels forced as in one ending it explicitly says that "without Radovid´s genius"...

The more correct outcome if Djikstra was king would probably for Redania to fare a bit worse and in the end make Redania keep Kaedwen, and Nilfgaard to keep Aedirn and Temeria. New border = Pontar.

Story-wise, continuing W1 and W2 means most people would only care about happens with Temeria, anyway. And it´s sad that there is no ending with free Temeria.

In other words - Djikstra option should be the "neutral one" and the only one where Temeria could be free if Roche was chosen in W2 and Foltest child became heir.